DeHart Bus Driver Allegedly Bullied 7-Year-Old Oakview Student
One of the company's drivers reportedly bullied Adrian Hayden over a three-week period through early April.
A DeHart bus driver may have allegedly crossed the line, leading to an investigation under New Jersey’s anti-bullying law, after an incident aboard one of the company’s buses last month.
The driver said, “My bus, my rules,” before getting in an argument with 7-year-old Oakview Elementary School student Adrian Hayden over letting a friend sit with him, which eventually culminated in the driver telling the boy that if the bus got in an accident, it would be his fault, according to Adrian’s father, John Hayden.
“You can’t lay that on a kid,” he said. “This driver’s going completely over the edge.”
What began as just a seemingly gruff bus driver turned ugly in a hurry, Hayden said. It started almost as soon as Adrian began riding a later activity bus after getting involved in a couple of after-school clubs at Oakview in March, and had reached its peak within three weeks, in early April.
The blowup came after the driver allegedly forced Adrian, who has severe food allergies, to sit alone, pressed against the window, and consistently referred to him as “the allergy kid,” which Hayden called bizarre and demeaning.
“He’s a normal kid with food allergies,” Hayden said.
With stories like Aiken Chaifetz’s alleged bullying at the hands of his Cherry Hill teachers and Bankbridge teacher Steven Roth’s videotaped rant against a student grabbing headlines this year, Hayden said his first move was to take it right to the district and request an investigation, which started almost immediately.
“This is another example of an adult bullying a kid,” he said. “These adults need to be held accountable.”
The process began just before spring break, and by the time school resumed, the driver had already been pulled off Adrian’s activity bus route, Hayden said.
“The school is doing everything right,” he said.
The investigation under the state’s anti-bullying law is complete, Superintendent Kevin Kitchenman confirmed, but the report hadn’t been finished in time for the last school board meeting, meaning it’s still sealed.
“Until it's presented to the board, I can't comment on it,” Kitchenman said.
There may not be much he can say after it’s been presented, either, given the restrictions imposed on how much information can be shared with the various parties involved in the investigation.
Hayden said he’d be surprised if the final report doesn’t confirm the allegations.
“It seems to be a pretty clear case,” he said.
It’s not the first time the Haydens—or other families—have had problems with DeHart this year. Several incidents with substitute drivers and aides, including one who tried to force Adrian from his assigned seat, have cropped up during the year, prompting the school board at one point to call out DeHart representatives on the carpet.
DeHart CEO Dennis Noon, who didn’t return a phone message seeking comment for this story, told the school board at its December meeting that the company was working to resolve those issues, and had gone so far as to suspend a driver from working in West Deptford after at least one of those incidents, where a student was forced off a bus more than a mile from his home.
“This is a pattern with this company,” Hayden said, accusing DeHart of becoming complacent, thanks to its decades-long, uninterrupted contract with the district.
Hiring someone who would say “despicable” things to young students is a huge red flag, and signals the company just doesn’t care, Hayden said.
“This is a person who shouldn’t be driving, period,” he said.
Hayden said this is far from an individual crusade, and more about ensuring adults are held accountable for their actions.
“I don’t want any other kid to go through this,” he said. “The right thing to do is to get rid of this driver.”
Editor's note: this article has been modified to clarify the time frame in which the incident happened.
beth
6:28 am on Thursday, May 3, 2012
most school bus driver's in other towns assign seats for the kids,. the younger ones sit in the front and older ones in the back. With every marking period changing partners so each child has a chance to meet the kids on the bus.
Cyndi Taylor
6:44 am on Thursday, May 3, 2012
I know FOR A FACT that last year, in first grade, Adrian was to sit alone on the bus as per his parent's request because of the allergy.
Duchess
7:39 am on Thursday, May 3, 2012
WHY is a seven year old even arguing with a bus driver, yes it is his bus and his rules. Sounds like a rather disrespectful child to me.
Kristi Simpkins
3:11 pm on Sunday, May 6, 2012
This child did nothing wrong. Plus WHY is an adult arguing w/ a seven yrd old child? Adults shouldn't argue w/ children. Especially a bus driver who's technically a stranger to that child. If he/she is arguing w/ him or another child, then he/she isn't doing their jobs in the manner in which they're supposed to be done. The adult (the driver) is the one who should know better. He/she should also know how to conduct themselves while driving children to & from school. From the problems I have had w/ certain drivers too, I can 99.99% guarantee, that it was this bus driver who's @ fault for all of this. It's also Dehart's problem too. Not this little boy's. That's crazy blaming this child! People need to take ownership & accountability for their wrong doing(s). That includes this bus driver.
James Cheetle
10:23 am on Wednesday, March 6, 2013
You are right!
Tiredofdrama
7:43 am on Thursday, May 3, 2012
I really feel sorry for this child. His parents just sealed his fate with friends. this past 3 days of press on them. Parents of kids his age are going to make sure their children don't play with him.Out of fear.of what may happen. Mr.and Mrs.Hayden please think of you son before you keep putting his picture all over the place. You may think this is good for him to get this out there.But it is only hurting him.
Yacavich chernoff
9:15 am on Thursday, May 3, 2012
who dresses this kid, OMG!!!
Carrie
10:26 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012
Who raised you to target a child like that?
JustANobody
11:18 am on Thursday, May 3, 2012
The school bus should be a privilege, not a right. If you don't follow the rules, you don't get to ride the bus. The school board will rule in the student's favor to shut the parents up. The driver isn't union and he's not a township employee. DeHart has to make WD happy... The lesson learned by young Adrian: It's ok for me to argue with adults because if I get in trouble, my parents will complain and bail me out.
Bryan Littel
12:06 pm on Thursday, May 3, 2012
The school board just gets the final report on the outcome of the investigation - they don't make any ruling on the situation at all. School administrators handle complaints under the anti-bullying law.
JustANobody
12:12 pm on Thursday, May 3, 2012
Ruling or no ruling, same outcome. Dehart will keep the peace. They'll move that driver to another route or another township.
Gloria Saul
10:41 pm on Thursday, May 3, 2012
@Bryan. That is a typical politician's answer! Have you thought of running? The School Board does make the decision behind closed doors. Theirs and the Administrators "policy" is to placate the parent at all costs and sweep the discourse under the rug. You are as bad as they are.
Bryan Littel
10:48 pm on Thursday, May 3, 2012
While the school board can modify or reject any of the decisions handed down, they're not the ones making the decision. That falls on the superintendent.
Incidentally, there are tons of resources on the state anti-bullying law and related programs on the state DOE website:
http://www.state.nj.us/education/students/safety/behavior/hib/
Kristi Simpkins
3:11 pm on Sunday, May 6, 2012
That's a VERY ignorant comment BTW. This has nothing to w/ this little boy's parents. They did their jobs in protecting their son from a bully. A bully can be anyone. Especially adults. You'll learn once you become a parent yourself.
reason
9:54 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
This statement is true. Parents are making huge mistakes by not supporting the schools. That child will definitely be their problem in the very near future, when he turns on them...
R Nichols
11:18 am on Thursday, May 3, 2012
Just askin..How does one "sit alone, pressed against the window"?
If it was me, I'd just scooch over a bit.
Cyndi Taylor
5:02 pm on Thursday, May 3, 2012
I know for a fact that last year this child didn't sit "pressed against the window." He was on the edge of his seat, usually half turned around, despite repeated requests to sit correctly and tighten his seatbelt. He found a way to socialize with the others on the bus even though he was seated alone.
realdudewd
11:32 am on Thursday, May 3, 2012
you guys are all thick headed. im a former WD student and i've had the absolute worst bus drivers. the bus company knows this as well because she has been brought into meetings numerous times for problems. and no, the bus isnt a privilege, it is a right. and since the 7 year old cant drive himself he should atleast be shown some respect by someone who's job it is to make sure he gets to school/home safely. this whole thing could have been avoided if the driver would have been mature in tellin the child his parents wanted him alone, but by saying "my bus my rules" the driver proved how unprofessional he/she is. this really hits a nerve cause i know exactly what happens on these busses and its not good.
WDGrad91
11:51 am on Thursday, May 3, 2012
Realdudewd, you have no CLUE whats going on. Not EVERY BUS DRIVER IS BAD.
Because of the bullying law, kids can say whatever they want and others lose THEIR JOBS BECAUSE OF THEM. HE HAS NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN TO GET OTHERS IN TROUBLE BECAUSE HE'S FREAKING PARANOID. So get your facts straight, because i used to hang out with the drivers when i was in school,
and they were not rude or "immature" at all. Besides, how do you know what the bus driver said/did? Youre being immature by believing a kid over another ADULT
Kristi Simpkins
3:11 pm on Sunday, May 6, 2012
Get your facts straight. It's been this way w/ certain bus drivers, since I rode those very same school buses myself over 30 yrs ago. No one has said especially me, that all bus drivers are a problem. That's isn't the point here. However the ones that are a problem, don't need to be driving my children or any others students to & from school. Those problem drivers need to be held accountable for their actions & shouldn't be driving. The only things that change are the children & the school year. It just seems more & more that certain bus drivers are very disrespectful, rude, & don't care about children & their families. As for me I would believe any child over any driver. It's just sad too. Especially if that driver was wrong & they did something inapprpopriate. Like this bus driver did.
Kathern
12:32 pm on Thursday, May 3, 2012
I too have had trouble with West Deptford bus drivers. They dropped my son on the late bus a mile from where he needed to be and basically told him to either get out or he would be taken back to the school. In world of nut jobs and with it benig in the news about child abductopn, I have a MAJOR problem with that. It has nothing to do with this poor child being disrespectful - these drivers talk to the kids like their trash.
WDGrad91
3:45 pm on Thursday, May 3, 2012
You guys dont understand 95% of whats REALLY going on.
Cyndi Taylor
4:53 pm on Thursday, May 3, 2012
Unfortunately, DeHart does not determine the routes and bus stops, and the drivers are not allowed to alter them. They are put together by the transportation department in West Deptford Schools and handed to the bus company, who is contracted by the BOE and obligated to follow their routes without any deviations. If a stop isn't close enough to your house, then you need to contact someone to make a change. The truth is, those were the only two options the bus driver had -- to drop your son off at the designated stop or take him back to the school.
Gloria Saul
10:41 pm on Thursday, May 3, 2012
Oh what a sad tale you weave! It's parents like you that create drama wherever they go. "My son, my baby, my child" these are all words that create and feed the child with "entitlement issues"! You are blind to the faults of these disrespectful credents! YOU need to teach your child WHERE he should be getting off the bus! YOU should teach your child his/her address, YOU should make sure that your child knows that it is ok to go back to the school within the safety of the bus if he/she is not comfortable where he/she is told to get off. Why? Because THAT IS YOUR JOB! See parents of kids with "entitlement issues" tend to have the same issues themselves.These busdrivers and teachers are NOT YOUR BABYSITTERS OR NANNYS. Sometimes, even though it is inconvenient for you and your child, busdrivers get sick and a substitute has to be called. One that DOES NOT KNOW YOUR PRECIOUS BABY or the route and have to wing it. Every think of that? No you wouldn't because it's not about you or your mini clones!
WD Dude
1:57 pm on Thursday, May 3, 2012
OK. Let's take a breather here, all. 'Trolling' does not become any of you as I have found most WD residents to be decent people. This child, nor his parents are 'bad' people, nut jobs or crazies, and although it's frustrating to deal with those who repeatedly cannot see things as they really are and have their perspective skewed, some of the comments here are not very nice, and telling the family to “get out of Dodge” is a bit harsh. If I was Adrian’s mother reading that, I’d be very hurt and scarred by that comment. I understand the frustration, but let’s not be so cruel. The debate here is good so that every side can be seen and heard, and some can be enlightened. It's tough to see someone else's point of view sometimes. But we shouldn't cowardly throw stones on a local blog.
Gloria Saul
10:41 pm on Thursday, May 3, 2012
My apologies but these aren't stones, they are GREAT BIG BOULDERS! As big as they are these parents still do not get it. They are not in it for the safety of their child! If they were they would NOT parade that child all over the news for all his friends (soon to be ex) to see. They are creating a snowball effect that will surely come back to bite them in the ass. WD as with ALL school districts, cater to the parents as apposed to what is right and the catered to parents cater to their children which tells these growing minds that it is certainly ok for them to argue with authority even to the point of being disrespectful. To call for the dismissal of a bus driver for doing exactly as THEY (tee parents) requested is uncalled for and self serving. The bus driver said exactly what the rules are, HERS, as in she is in charge and what she says goes. These parents and their offspring seem to feel that they are entitled to do whatever it is that pleases them! THE ARE NOT. Kudos to the bus driver who could NEVER be described as gruff.
jersey
3:03 pm on Thursday, May 3, 2012
you are right, i'm sorry, but they are very frustrating with all the stuff they've pulled.
FITWDW
10:41 pm on Thursday, May 3, 2012
i'm new to this party, what "stuff" have the pulled?
itzybitzyspider
4:53 pm on Thursday, May 3, 2012
not only school bus drivers rude but they can't drive.They pull out in front of you,speed through residential areas.I'm driving a big yellow whale get out of my way.
I think the township should change bus companies aand send dehart packing to another district.Or better yet screen who they hire.
Gloria Saul
10:41 pm on Thursday, May 3, 2012
Really? Have you ever driven a big yellow whale? Have you ever tried to control a bus load of disrespectful, bigmouthed creadents? Did you EVER try to see out a window with 50+ heads popping up and down? Have you ever had 54 screaming dirtballs rolling around, tossing stuff at your head, out the window and at each other while driving a vehicle the equivalent of three car lengths long down a busy highway while being screamed at through the radio that LIL JOHNNY missed the bus and you have to come back and get him? Yea I didn't think so. Idiot!
Gateway01Grad
4:53 pm on Thursday, May 3, 2012
What everyone should see here is not a story about a boy and what is wrong or right, but rather one man/family trying to do what is right to make sure no other family has to go through this. I know not every child has an allergey but that does not mean they can't be bullied. To many times we see in the news about a teens who was bullied growing up and decides to end their life. It's up to us as adults to do whats right and put an end to adults bullying kids.
Martin Luther King Jr said it best,
“Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way.”
Lets not turn our backs on the true issue here, "BULLYING"
Lets stop throwing jabs at this family for trying to do whats right and instead throw the jabs in the direction of bullying and put an end to it.
omg77
10:41 pm on Thursday, May 3, 2012
Does anyone know what a bus friver gets paid????
Cyndi Taylor
7:06 pm on Friday, May 4, 2012
Not nearly enough for the responsibility they bear.
annonymous
1:05 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012
Not nearly enough, as we are like a parent, sometimes a nurse, a counselor, and have a lot stress to go along with it trying to insure that your child gets to school and back in a safe manner. We get cursed at by parents, students, and also have to play Taxi when you are not home to get your child. So you see it is not just a matter of getting behind the wheel and driving . Try putting 54 screaming children in your vehicle for a day.We all need to work together and remember we do care about your childs safety>
Gloria Saul
11:14 pm on Thursday, May 3, 2012
The driver said, “My bus, my rules,” before getting in an argument with 7-year-old .... Please tell me WHAT IS THE FIRST INDICATION THAT THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS STORY? My guess is "before arguing with a 7 year old". Why would a 7 year old be arguing with an adult? "My bus, My rules" What, may I ask, is wrong with this statement and how does it constitute bullying? Answer: NOTHING and IT DON'T! This very article and the father involved are the sole cause of what is wrong with this country. This father is under the assumption that his 7 year old son has every right to tell an adult what he or she can or can't do. And why does he feel that way? Because he (the father) feels he is entitled to also. He ,the bully, created a bully. It started over an epipen then the media turned DAD into a fame crazed idiot who paraded his son's picture all over the tv for all to see. What did the school, the Administration, school board and the bus company do? They folded, like they always do to keep the parent appeased and who will take the fall because surely SOMEONE has to pay? The lowly bus driver (who agreed to take the course to be certified)..And what is wrong with that? EVERYTHING! I am so disgusted with the lot of you! It sickens me to know that I will, at some point in my life, have to deal with the out of control, disrespectful, self indulgent, lazy, stupid jackasses you are all breeding. Pride in your community? I think not! Spay and neuter I think YES!
Bryan Littel
11:16 pm on Thursday, May 3, 2012
If it was unclear: The "My bus, my rules" comment wasn't what Hayden said constituted bullying. The alleged pattern of referring to Adrian as "the allergy kid," along with the alleged statement that a crash would be his fault, in addition to the forced isolation, were the reasons he brought up.
Kristi Simpkins
3:11 pm on Sunday, May 6, 2012
Stop being SO ignorant! Seriously? Speaking of school go back there & find some class. This isn't about this little boy or his parents. They all did what they were supposed to do. His parents did their job. By doing that they protected their son. It's just sad that some bus drivers out there, don't know how to do or can't do their jobs properly. This is about another bad bus driver who shouldn't be driving children.
Kristi Simpkins
7:58 pm on Sunday, May 6, 2012
Gloria,
BTW you sound like a really bitter bus driver. Pick up for the good bus drivers & DON'T defend the bad ones. If you defend someone who did wrong doing you're just as bad as that driver. Plus if that bus driver didn't do anything wrong, then why was he/she removed from the little boy's route? If he/she wasn't guilty of anything then he/she, wouldn't have been removed from any route much less that little boy's. Just saying.
al henry
10:05 am on Friday, May 4, 2012
Personally I don't care what allergy or affliction the child has. Obviously the child was arguing with an adult,who teaches their child it's ok to argue with an adult? This only shows total disrespect to the bus driver. To get respect you must first give it. In our "civilized society" we have rules everyone must follow.This includes the school bus. So yes the drivers have rules to which all students must adhere. If one child gets out of line the rest follow suit, now you have lost control of your bus and have nothing but chaos. As I read it Adrian was on the "late bus" for only a few weeks. When he tried to "test" the driver he didn't have his way. When things don't go Adrian's way the father steps in with senseless,..overblown complaints. How many of us heard our parents say to us rough housing in the back seat of the car,.."Knock it off your gonna cause an accident"?
tellthetruthB
10:05 am on Friday, May 4, 2012
Hey, I remember when we walked to school......ahhh, the good old days. And you think this is bad, hang out at a baseball game. There are 40 parents in the stands and they all think their son that is batting .250 is getting screwed and it is going to mess up his chances of that pro contract because the coach doesn't play him. WD parents are a serious, serious joke. Get a clue people. Be parents, not friends. Friends come later when your well developed child can survive on their own in this tough tough world
Gloria Saul
10:43 am on Friday, May 4, 2012
I believe this whole thing began over having that "gruff and unprofessional" bus driver trained to use the epipen to sain poor Aiden'S life. Fact is she agreed to do it. The bus company refused and with good reason. What you all don't realize is if she administers that medicine n the boy dies guess who the parents sue? The driver and company so no matter what they do they are the bad guy. Sorry mr Hayden but you aren't worth that risk!
Bryan Littel
11:54 am on Friday, May 4, 2012
The epipen training you're referring to is from the Hayden's discussions with their son's regular driver from last year, not the driver in question here.
From what I understand, there's also no legal liability there, given the Haydens would've signed a waiver as part of the training. There's also the state Good Samaritan Act to consider:
http://www.state.nj.us/lps/ca/bme/applications/documents/good-samaritan-act.pdf
WD Dude
3:24 pm on Friday, May 4, 2012
"...Not immune from liability are acts or omissions by you in such situations which are determined to involve gross negligence, recklessness or willful misconduct."
So a good lawyer can convince a jury that a good Samaritan act was grossly negligent. Just like a good lawyer can get OJ Simpson off the hook for murder. I can honestly say that in today's world, you can't even try to help someone in good faith because people will sue you. Even if you screw up, if you were trying to do SOMETHING, even if it was wrong, then SOMETHING is better than doing nothing and letting a person lay and die. But not today. Maybe 50 years ago, but not today. Today, if you try and fail, you get screwed. And I have a lawyer in my immediate family. She says that waivers are not blanket or 100% binding. It's just sad. People are so self-focused today that you are very limited in what you can do to help. Can't blame ANYONE who didn't want to do this. While it doesn't seem hard to jam a pen into a kid's leg who is dying in front of you, still, the amount of ruckus this father has stirred would cause me to re-think involvement. Plain and simple. He sadly has really sealed his kid's social isolation. Hope he thinks it was worth it. I'd have just taken him to school and waived my "right to a bus."
Kristi Simpkins
7:58 pm on Sunday, May 6, 2012
Gloria,
There were better ways to handle that situation & you know it. That bus driver copted an attitiude w/ a seven yrd old & it was very inappropropiate of him./her to do. Plus every child & their families ARE worth the risk. That's the problem right there. People of this township aren't be treated as they're worth something & we should be. Especially our children who ride those buses daily. If Aiden's situation was handled w/ more descretion & decency, this wouldn't be a story. It would be less stressful on & for families, if ppl just opted to take their children to school. Doing that however just causes yet another hassel that parents don't need. However TBH parents shouldn't have to do that. The bus company just needs to hire competent drivers. More importantly Dehart's, needs to correct the many wrongs that are in place that are NOT being fixed. This is on the bus company. No one else.
WDGrad91
3:24 pm on Friday, May 4, 2012
Hey for the small amount people who side WITH The Haydens, WAKE UP!!!
If the Adrian had an allergy that threatens his life, why on earth would someone put him on a bus??? Here's an idea: TAKE HIM YOURSELF MR.HAYDEN, WE ALL HAVE LIVES TOO. You THINK you're above the rest of "everyday people" just because you're friends with BOE. You really have problems to sort out if you have nothing else better to do than looking for reasons to show your sons' "through one ear, out the other" problem. Did you at all ask the bus driver about what happened? If so, why would you believe a 7 year old child over an adult? Did your child say this because he didnt like the bus driver? If so, isn't THAT bullying and/or harassment according to that Law that noone mentioned yet...the bullying law, which does little to NOTHING?
The reports of intimidation/bullying have shot up 20% since 2010-2011, do you know why? Because people take advantage of it
William Libby
7:06 pm on Friday, May 4, 2012
I agree. Why doesn't Mr. Hayden take him if there are so many issues with allergies, especially since he is a stay at home dad!
Carrie
2:36 pm on Tuesday, May 8, 2012
I have to say, I had this same argument with a friend the other day. If my kid had an allergy on the level of what this by is supposed to have, I would drive him myself for the simple fact that the bus is such a confined space and the kdis DO sneak food on the bus and he could very easily be exposed. If it is that important that he have the pen in his posession, then, maybe he should have private transportation. And WDgrad - I agree 100%...these kids are going to have real issues as adults because they have such a thin skin!
WD1985
11:25 am on Saturday, May 5, 2012
back in the day,my mom used to meet the bus driver in the beginning of the year. If i got out of line, or i was with friends that got out of line, i was guilty. guilty by association or guilty until prove innocent! it kept me in line! (most of the time). bus drivers were tough, and they need to be. they are responsible for the safety of your kids. i would not want to be responsible for kids today. parents are too quick to say not my kid.......my little angel. i see them today, where i work....skateboarding down step. you ask them to leave and they argue and curse at you. guaranteed, if they get hurt, their parents will be real quick to sue the company.
Loretta frame
12:49 pm on Sunday, May 6, 2012
I have been a bus driver for 15 years with Deharts,we carry a lot of responsibility so many problems occur on the road that we can't control, but we try to control what happens inside the bus the best we can understand we all aren't gruff, mean we do the best we can . I feel every since bullying law people jump too quickly to use it without all the facts let's see what we find out and judge driver's individually instead of grouping us all up because thats just not fair at all
Carrie
2:36 pm on Tuesday, May 8, 2012
I'M not DeHart, I just work there! As an individual!
Danna
12:49 pm on Sunday, May 6, 2012
For all of you that never drove a School Bus kept quite until you know the facts. Just take one week and get into the driver seat, at the end of the week you would turn to that driver and say I don;t know how you can do this for a living. The things we see as a Bus driver. I drove for 19 years and till this day I love driving. Sometimes the children that have problems sitting, eating, smoking, High School students that try to have sex in the back and think were not able to see talking back to use and saying your not my Mom and you can't tell us what to do, that f---- you comes out of there mouths and we have to keep driving and report them the next day. We have to put those children to the front so we can keep and eye on them. How many times these kids get on the Bus with weapons and don't even know it and were putting our lives on the line because they dont know how to act. Just look at how they drive out of the Schools when school lets out. So all you non-drivers dont put the driver down until you know the hole truth about a Bus Drivers Job. We do the best that we can do and it doesnt help when the schools dont help out.
Carrie
2:36 pm on Tuesday, May 8, 2012
Camera's are needed to be mandatory on the buses. I won't give up the thought that CHILDREN care CHILDREN, they will lie to protect themselves, hear things that aren't there, and pick on each other. Parents need to focus on how to teach their children how to behave, let them take their lumps and learn from their mistakes, And fir the sake of all that is holy in this world, realize that we DON'T have machines driving these kids! We get impatient, we have rules to follow and answer for and we DO LOVE "our" children! Parent's need to see what goes on, but at the same time, I have to question will that become us being incompetant in their eyes? One parent wants you to pull over and get comtrol while another is screaming we are late! We can't win.
I WILL say, it really feels good to see all of the support on behalf of this driver! We have been taking a beating lately and NO ONE has been speaking up for us!
And, Lorretta, you can drive my kids anyday! lol!
Loretta frame
7:58 pm on Sunday, May 6, 2012
Thanks danna your 100% correct I love my job too and the kids I drive are why I like my job, whenever anything goes wrong its always our fault....
Kristi Simpkins
8:48 pm on Sunday, May 6, 2012
Lorretta,
It's only the bus driver's fault WHEN they're @ fault. Not every bus driver is the bad guy. Also not all children are the bad guys either. Especially this seven yrd old. There has been many problems/issues w/ drivers & also with students over the years. However ppl just can't lump every story together & blame all children or all drivers. Just place blame where need be. In this particular story, the bus driver was wrong. End of story. The bus driver was wrong the SECOND he/she began to argue w/ a child & began to bully that little boy. I don't care what that little boy said or did on that bus. That's a different story all together. We're not talking about what the boy, & what he may or may have not done. He's seven yrs old. The bus driver however isn't seven. He/she needs to be the grown-up as well as act like one. Plus every situation is different & every situation must be handled accordingly.
All I want is to see, is the correct person or ppl, to be held accountable & responsible. People just need to take ownership for when they do something wrong. In this story this child did nothing wrong. This child was being bullied by not just the kids on that bus. He was also being bullied by that driver.
TimeWaster12
9:02 am on Monday, May 7, 2012
This has NOTHING <sarcasm> to do with the father trying to get on the BoE last year and failing.
"There are no devil’s advocates serving on the board today, and I would fill that role quite nicely." ~ John Hayden http://westdeptford.patch.com/articles/school-board-profiles-john-hayden
I find it curious that the bullying started "after getting involved in a couple of after-school clubs at Oakview in early April" and that the "process began just before spring break, and by the time school resumed" the situation was handled, to the father's liking.
Just look at the WD schools schedule. Spring Break was from April 6 - April 13.
That means this took place in a span of 3 days (April 5 would have been after school hours and too late to report it).
Sounds like the father still wants to be the antagonist for the Board and is using his son to do it. Was The Patch "tipped" just like Fox was a few days before about the EpiPen issue?
Kudos goes to the Board for handling the situation quickly and efficiently.
And to realdudewd:
Bus transportation to and from school/school activities is a SERVICE provided by the district at a cost to the tax payers. It is NOT a right. If a person does not like the service that is being offered, they may chose to not use it.
Bryan Littel
1:50 pm on Monday, May 7, 2012
Awkward wording on my part - the situation came to a head in early April. The clubs started in March. The school board hasn't even gotten involved - as before, these investigations get handled by school administrators, then reported to the board.
TimeWaster12
8:39 pm on Monday, May 7, 2012
Thanks for clearing that up, Mr. Littel.
The time line as first presented had me scratching my head. I would have been amazed if anything dealing with schools moved that quickly and efficiently.
I still believe there is more to his agenda, though.
Kristi Simpkins
1:47 pm on Monday, May 7, 2012
TimeWaster12,
This is ALL about what that bus driver did(didn't do) on his/her bus those couple of days. He/she clearly did some wrong doing, b/c he/she was removed from that bus route. Why would anyone especially the bus driver be moved, if he/she didn't do anything wrong or wasn't gulity of the accusations towards them?
Also w/ the problems that I have had personally this year, I would rather drive my children to & from school. However I was told by Mr. Kitchenman himself on more than one occasion to NOT do that. "It wouldn't be in the best interest of all the schools & for you & your family, to not do that". That's what he said to me.
TBH w/ you, it would in the best interest of myself & other families, if we DID take our children to school. The "service" that's in place has now, is much to be desired & needs a GREAT deal work to fix the many problems/issues they do have. It would take the stress & worry off of parents. Plus our children would get to & from school on time.
Carrie
2:36 pm on Tuesday, May 8, 2012
Time Waster is absolutely correct! If there's a serious conflict between a driver & the school, district &/or parents, the driver is often moved to another route or suspended, although, as non union drivers, I have never heard of it being WITH pay. We only get paid when we work.
Also, as a parent, I have ALWAYS taken the time to follow my childrens bus & see how they drive, how the kids act, if they are up & around, & know the route they will be taking, & I ONLY put them on the bus after doing that. I shouldn't HAVE to do that, & I DON'T HAVE to do that, but as a parent, it is my responsibility to do whatever I feel is necisary to protect my children. And I WILL say that there have been times over the years where I HAVE felt that it wasn't in my childs best interest to go on the bus & I drove them. After all, if I questioned my childs drivers ability to keep a controlled & safe environment for them, I wouldn't be a very responsible parent to listen to the superintendent & not my own instincts.
Transportation is provided by the district, but a driver can only do so much at any given moment without appearing negligent. So, more often than not, it is more about the parenting & behavior of the children on the bus than the actual drivers abilities. Teach the kids how to behave on the bus, correct them when they are wrong & don't cover for them, & have an orderly bus where the driver can drive not referee. But you have to be friends with these people the way you are defending.
TimeWaster12
8:39 pm on Monday, May 7, 2012
Kristi, removing a person who is under review for an incident is common practice in all sorts of fields. The article does not say if they were fired, reassigned or suspended. People get up in arms all the time when they hear that a police officer or teacher is suspended with pay until the dust has settled.
I'm not saying the driver's actions were right, I just believe that there is more on Mr. Hayden's agenda then these incidents.
Either my wife or I take our kids to school and pick them up everyday. To me it's a little special time I get to spend with them that they have no idea means so much. If you can, I'd recommend doing it. You'll enjoy it.
Kristi Simpkins
12:45 am on Tuesday, May 8, 2012
TimeWaster12,
I just think this bus driver was removed for other reasons. Not just b/c they're investigating this. I could be wrong & I hope I am. Because then this bus driver, didn't do anything wrong. For his/her sake I hope he/she didn't do any wrong doing. I guess will find out soon enough what happened in this case. Also I believe Mr. Hayden's agenda, would be just like any other parent's. That would be to get to the bottom of this incident. People have to take ownership in what took place on that bus. Also the agenda would be to hold the correct person &/or ppl responsible for what happened to his child.
I think it's great that you take your kids to school everyday. However parents in the school district, shouldn't have to feel as thought they need to. Parents shouldn't have to take their children to school. Especially when there's a service provided for us. That we pay to have. If you or other ppl choose to do that, then that's your choice. Parents however shouldn't have to feel like that's their only alternative. B/c the service being provided isn't working & it's not worth the children using the buses.
All they have to do & fix the problems that are there. Instead year after year, it's just the same old thing. Too many ppl are passing the buck & sweeping the many problems they have under their rugs. It's been this way, even since I was a child growing up here. Things for them just have gotten worse over the years. Not any better.
Carrie
2:36 pm on Tuesday, May 8, 2012
"Can I change seats?", "No, you have to sit in that seat and you can't have anyone sit with you." "Please?" "We have to stay with the seating chart." I'll work on it" "But Billy Bob is my best friend! Why not?" "My bus, my rules"...Really, no arguement, more of a discussion there, right?
Then you have a teacher or multiple teachers or other drivers, "Why can't he sit with his friends?" Response, "He's the kid with the allergies"...This has been splashed all over the news, talked about by parents, discussed with children, for the simple fact that they need to be aware not to expose the child to certain things, and it turns into other kids sayong, "Oh, that's the allergy kid!" So when the driver says, he is the child with the allergies, he has become sensetive to the subject, even if the majority of other kids DON'T say anything, and the boy just hears ANOTHER person referring to him as the "allergy kid". Innocent enough, no actual wrong doing on any part. but, really, before making your child the center of attention like this, STOP and THINK what kind of impact it will have on them with others.
I DO drive a bus and have for 12 years. I like to think I do a good job, but I can also tell you that after having kids walking around the bus, arguing with each other, a service radio that I have to keep basted, throwing things out the window, when a kid starts nagging me, I can say, I HAVE said, my bus, my rules. That is saying I'm not arguing with you! not ME ARGUING WITH YOU!
Kristi Simpkins
9:47 pm on Tuesday, May 8, 2012
Carrie,
You may be a good driver. That isn't what this is about. This isn't about you & how do your job. This is about another bus driver who should've done their job better.
This child did NOTHING wrong. I can believe ppl are blamimg this 7 yr old. It's ridiculous & crazy! Whatever he did on that bus, his behavior did NOT warrant the reaction he was given by the adult on that bus.
Plus his parents did nothing wrong either. They did what any other parent would've done. Including you. They protected their son from bullies. Remember a bully comes in many forms. Including the one who was driving that bus.
As already stated pick up & defend the good drivers. They are many good drivers. However don't defend the bad drivers. If he/she was wrong then they were wrong. Like in this story. If he/she handled this little boy's situation w/ more decretion & did do his/her job better, there would no story.
Carrie
1:05 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012
That, my dear, is where you are wrong. First of all, you are refusing to see my point, that a child often sees/hears/remembers things differently than they are said. The fact is that no one, except the driver in question, knows what was actually said. Knowing many of the DeHart drivers, I have to say that it would with most of them it would be more of a misunderstanding & the child being overly sensetive. That doesn't make anyone wrong!
You have NO idea, how I would handle a situation like this. I can tell you, 100%, I may go to the driver, company, driver transportation dept., principal, superintendant and/or school board, but I would NEVER do what these parents have done. This is a private issue that should NEVER be handled publicly.
You hear what the child says, & automatically, are screaming for the drivers head! Do you know this driver? Ever had a conversation with him or her? Are you aware that we have rules to follow & if it is in our notes we HAVE to follow the guidelines set forth? A child may be REQUIRED to sit alone & if it is in an IEP or 504 plan, it is actually in effect, a LAW?
As a parent, I am raising my kids to be strong & to voice their opinion in conversation with respect, but at the same time, when they are given an answer by an adult, their job ends. That's where I come in. Don't tell me I would EVER put my kid on the 6 o'clock news to "protect" them. There is NO WAY!
Bryan Littel
1:06 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012
It should be noted there was a DeHart aide on the bus at the time, so there's at least one other adult who was present during this incident.
Kristi Simpkins
10:21 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
Bryan,
That makes it worse knowing that there was another "adult" on that bus. Still this should've never have happened no matter who was on that bus. TBH I don't care how many adults were on that bus. Whomever was on that bus, they didn't handle that little boy's situation or themselves in the correct manner. If they did handle things correctly, this story wouldn't be one.
Why would any parent goes to this length? It's too make ppl take ownership for their part of this whole mess. No one is going to tell me that the bus driver & that aide, were totally blameless for what took place on that bus over that period of time. If ppl believe otherwise, then they're fooling no one except for themselves.
It's sad too b/c this situation will be treated just like the many others from this school year. This issue will be addressed. However it'll never will be dealt with the way it should be. The wrongs will still be wrong & problems will never be fixed.
Another school year gone by with SO many problems being brushed under the rug & many fingers pointed @ each other.