Fees Could Rise for WD Summer Rec Programs
Township committee on Thursday proposed an increase in the fees for summer recreation and related programs.
Parents in West Deptford may find themselves forking over a bit more dough for this year’s summer recreation programs, following a lengthy discussion by township committee Thursday night. The committee voted on first reading to not only to increase the summer rec fee, but also the fee for sports camps, the latch key program and day trips in order to ensure profit for the township.
The discussion on the summer rec program began during the first reading of an ordinance to establish fees for the township. Committeeman Samuel Cianfarini raised concerns that the newly proposed summer rec fee was still not enough to ensure that the township would profit from the program.
Recreation Director Greg Ley explained that with the summer rec fee increasing from $250 to $300 for the six week program, the township could expect to see close to a $8,900 profit with the enrollment of approximately 250 kids–basing their estimate on the 245 who enrolled the previous summer.
However, concerned with the possibility that a higher fee may lessen the enrollment for summer rec this year, Cianfarini proposed sign-ups taking place two or three weeks prior to the beginning of the six week program–ensuring the program could be cancelled if not enough children enrolled.
“As a mom I would say, I can’t be left without child care come June,” said Committeewoman Denice DiCarlo, who explained the rec program was too important to be considered tentative.
'Not simply dollars and cents'
Deputy Mayor Sean Kilpatrick also spoke on behalf of the program, saying that cancellation of the summer rec program may lead to more kids wandering about and getting into trouble during the summer months.
“It’s not simply dollars and cents here,” said Kilpatrick.
Cianfarini continued to expand on his concerns for the program, saying later in the meeting that an anlysis in 2011 projected the program to make a profit in 2012, when instead, there was a $15,000 loss. He also explained that the township had also lost similar amounts of money in the two years prior to 2012. He added that with all of the township’s unique and beautiful assets, there must be a payback for the taxpayers.
Comparing the summer rec program to other daycare programs in the area, Cianfarini also explained that the township’s summer rec program is almost three times cheaper.
Not having to adhere to the same standards of a daycare, the summer rec program does not have a 5:1 ratio, but is composed of a staff of mostly West Deptford High School graduates, paid at minimum wage. Ley explained that those graduates are standouts, young adults that the younger children look up to.
“They’re the pick of the litter,” said Ley of the summer rec staff.
Committeewoman Donna Szymborski also spoke to the importance of summer rec and its attractiveness to outsiders.
“We want to promote and sell West Deptford,” said Szymborski. “This is a positive program.”
Following an inquiry from the township committee, township administrator Eric Campo also explained that the township did not suffer any drop in enrollment the last time it raised fees from $200 to $250, four years ago.
Feeling that Ley’s projections for an almost $9,000 increase in revenue seemed positive, Mayor Raymond Chintall also inquired on raising fees for enrollment in just day trips, along with upping the fees for the latch key program and sports camps.
After Ley recommended to the committee an increase of $2 for these programs across the board, the committee voted unanimously to amend the first reading of the ordinance to include a new fee of $12 for sports camps, $18 for day trips and $12 for latch key in addition to the $50 increase for summer rec.
Yet, some residents still seemed concerned, such as Joseph Rando, who challenged Kilpatrick’s statement regarding an increase of children getting into trouble during the summer months, saying that it was not the responsibility of the government to raise the children.
“If the program doesn’t pay for itself, then scrap it,” said Rando during public comment.
However, resident David Sileo begged to differ during public comment stating that the township needed the summer rec program and that the committee should “do everything in their power to keep this program and keep it in the black”.
A public hearing before the committee's vote on the proposed increases is scheduled for April 4.
*Editor's note: This article was modified from its original to clarify the financial history of the summer rec program.
Wayne Klotz
1:27 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
Well joe, if Sam had his way, All Summer Recreations and concerts that we all enjoy, would be cancelled. As far as I'M concerned, west Deptford has the best recreations in the whole county. Or do you agree that the past administration is to be thanked for this, Joe?
JEB
2:49 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
got to disagree fella but washington township has the best they get the top bands and well know stars to come in and play. west deptford rec programs are far more inferior than a lot of places.
wayne still riding on the coattails of the previous administration.
forget the previous admin. this is now not then.
For the people that are on fixed incomes do you think they are concerned about rec programs.the kids today have their own rec programs,by way of x-box play station and other activity that are secluded to their rooms.
Roseanne
9:05 am on Friday, March 15, 2013
Yea, and it wont cost any of you to have our kids sit in their rooms while we work, or on fixed incomes....hmmm. seems like we really do not care if our kids are happy and healthy by keeping this program without trying to make a profit on it. This place (West Deptford),,,, NJ in general is the biggest state to rip off the consumer. My son wants to go, as a single mom, I do not think I can send him because of you gold diggers!!
Wayne Klotz
4:34 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
Jeb, buddy. Good point about people on fixed incomes! Why do they come to West Deptford for? I'Ll tell you why! It'S enjoyable and donot have to travel out of your town where they charge you an arm and a leg! One question for you, Jeb! Do you live here? I donot think so if you think other townships is better then W. D.
J F Rando
6:08 am on Saturday, March 9, 2013
Facts are: Twp has over $160 Million in debt which is due to mismanagement by previous elected officicals, administrators and the treasurer. If programs don't pay for themselves then they are eliminated. Ms DiCarlo stated "I can't be left without child care come June" Ms DiCarlo you have several options. Use your financial experience and /or education to come up with a program that pays for its self. Or,
pay a baby sitter. Ms. Szymborski how do we promote West Deptford? As a Twp with the best programs but a bankrupt community whose taxes are headed higher but
it is a positive program. In my opinion this is not party dialogue it is simply if you can't afford it you can't have it. Government likes to put in programs for the people because it buys votes, but government can't manage them just look at the Federal Government $16 Trillion Fed Debt (and climbing), no Federal Budget for several years. Must of you folks have not seen a business depression its coming when you
dance you have to pay the fiddler.
Tom Stanton
8:43 am on Saturday, March 9, 2013
The summer rec program is a positive program for WD just the same as Riverwinds and the summer concerts. Just like the previously mentioned, as well as any other local, state, or federal government ran programs that are designed to help the community or the citizens, the programs should not come at a cost to the people. I am not responsible to share in the cost of child care for my neighbor. If this program, and any other government ran program, cannot be kept out of the red, cancel the program. Our taxes are suppose to pay for common services to the citizens of our township. It is not the responsibility of government to run social programs that benefit the few and cost the many.
Roseanne
9:01 am on Friday, March 15, 2013
So you are one of those? You think you are paying for programs that keep kids out of trouble or home alone. So you think that WD is looking to stay out of the red, no sir...they are looking for a profit! The program is great for these kids and the cost should not go up just to make a profit. It is not to stay out of the red. So the program cancels and kids are in danger. Yea, great thinking. You must not have kids!
WD taxpayer
5:33 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013
Tom, I agree with your statement 100%. Yes, the program is and was a wonderful program. If, however, it can not be kept out of the red, then cancel it. It is not my responsibility to pay for another families childcare. And before you jump down my throat Roseanne, it is MY responsibility to keep MY children out of trouble while I work. That's part of MY job as a parent. Perhaps you missed that class on parenting. And as far as being a single mom, should everyone else have to help you out because of your poor decision or lack of morals? Planned parenthood gives out FREE birth control.
Melvin Matlos
10:23 am on Saturday, March 9, 2013
Rando do you just make up your numbers? How much are we paying Mark Cimino this year, another $300,000 down the drain? What about the $40,000 Sam is wasting on a marketing company from California. Great management of our tax dollars. Our town is being completely flushed down the toilet by these two nitwits and we are now being compared to Clayton and Westville because of their failed leadership. Hansen is running RiverWinds into theh ground and now he wants to run again for township committee. Get a clue Rando
Few & Proud
11:11 am on Saturday, March 9, 2013
Mr. Matlos before you start throwing comments towards others, please give one good explanation why we are in so much debt, and in return, as the Mayor said at one meeting that the debt makes up 1/3 of our overall budget, please give a reasonable solution to resolving our debt and how it directly impacts our taxes. Mr. Matlos, I as a resident want to hear solutions, not political mumbo jumbo. The Dems were in control for over 25 years, created that debt, we need solutions, not rhetoric. Thank you
J F Rando
12:11 pm on Saturday, March 9, 2013
Melvin my boy. Rather than go into the numbers (which are fact not fiction). One question do you spend more than you make? If you do you are the nitwit. I don't and I don't think the those running this Twp (plus County, State, and Federal) should.
SoundofReason
2:19 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
I was raised in West Deptford and graduated high school here. My husband and I, having to stay in NJ and wanting the best for our kids, moved back, bought a home and are planning to raise our children here. We had a lot of choices. We came here because of the community, the schools, the extracurricular programs offered, the option to join RiverWinds, the terrific sports programs and coaches. If it weren't for these things, we would have moved elsewhere. I agree with reducing wasteful spending, however, if we do not invest in programs that attract young, tax-paying families, then gutting every program for the sake of "cost-cutting" seems to be counterintuitive. Where is the benefit if you inevitably eliminate the ability to attract new revenue? Not only does the rec program give the township's children a safe, fun place to enjoy the summer affordably, but it employs township teens, giving them an opportunity to gain experience, responsibility and a sense of community. The decision to avoid the $5,400 stated to have cost the township last year, by increasing the fee of the core rec program by another $50 per child, should satisfy those taxpayers without children or those who have already raised their children here (surely a decision they made because of all the township had to offer!) Now let’s work on bigger initiatives that both increase West Deptford’s attractiveness to new community members and, too, have a greater impact on reducing the debt.
Roseanne
6:17 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013
Another comment for this coward...WD Taxpayer, to ashamed to say his own name...who watches your children while you work?...oh, let me guess, your wife? Also, I would say with a dad like you they are more than likely to be in trouble if not already, because it seems you only care about one thing....money!! NOT kids!
Roseanne
6:24 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013
My first comment did not make it on here for MR WD TAXPAYER, from one tax payer to another, HOW DARE you blame my single parenting on lack of morals or poor decision making are you serious????? So, single mothers out there that have kids are all due to lack of morals or decisions? what if my husband died you loser? How dare you make a comment like that. I have raised my boys by myself on very little income. Even the avg family (oops, that makes good decisions and has morals) cannot even afford the cost if it goes up. The TWP is not looking to stay out the red, they are NOT in the red, they just want to make a profit. They just choose to not break even and let the program succeed as it has been. You, my friend need a class in humanity!!!
WD taxpayer
12:03 am on Saturday, March 23, 2013
Roseanne - my sincere apologies if your baby daddy passed - let me guess no life insurance? Couldn't sue anyone? My "wife" and I worked opposite shifts so that the majority of the time our children were watched by us - however, while my "wife" was in school, furthering her education, we PAID for our children to be in daycare. Get your head out of your a$$, the rec program doesn't want to make a PROFIT, they want to BREAK EVEN. By the way, do you even OWN a home in WD and pay taxes? Probably not....And as far as a class in humanity, I volunteer plenty of my time to those less fortunate. I am active in my church and volunteer 2 weekends a month feeding the homeless in Camden, unlike you, I give back, not take, take, take...
Roseanne
7:42 am on Saturday, March 23, 2013
Boy, are you ever the pillar of the community, on one hand you put down a single mother, a homeowner, taxpayer of West Deptford, and without realizing it, which you were unaware, my father, a Veteran of this country that fought for your sorry ass!!. You need to get your head out of your ass ROMNEY, and start looking around. My son went to that program for 4 years, and he got very close to the counselors, for which if this program closes, will be out of a summer job!! You are the worst form of human life I have come across on my 41 years here on earth. You speak of helping people in one breathe, and in the next you put the less fortunate down. BABY DADDY? so that is a racial remark if I ever heard one. I am not who/what you think I am. You are the ignorant people for which this country could do without!! Shame on you. And if GOD FORBID, you ever had a crisis in your life, such as the death of your "wife", or your job, you would do whatever you had to do to survive, even if it was to ask for help. I have worked my entire life, I do not make enough to give to the blood suckers of this community!! I come from another state (regretfully), where property taxes are 1500.00 a year, NJ and You are the reason there are even so many homeless and less fortunate in the community. The program is looking to profit....get it right. Read the article!
Roseanne
1:41 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013
Recreation Director Greg Ley explained that with the summer rec fee increasing from $250 to $300 for the six week program, the township could expect to see close to a $8,900 profit with the enrollment of approximately 250 kids–basing their estimate on the 245 who enrolled the previous summer. PROFIT!!!!! PROFIT!!!!
Roseanne
1:56 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013
This really bothers me! How the hell are you responsible for paying MY day care if I pay taxes for the program AND pay $250 for 6 weeks?????. That, with 245 kids is how much? If you cannot run a program on over $10,000 a week, you have a real poor planning board. WD sucks! oh, the water dept...yea, they take what they want as well.... WD would not even purchase the trophies last year for the kids, the coaches went out and bought them....What a bunch of crooks! You only wanna get richer and you couldn't care less about children and high school kids that need summer jobs. What a sin..... Oh, I cannot wait until MR ROMNEY aka WD Taxpayer follows congress' plan to see to it Obama fails and get a Republican in next time....and then when he goes to retire has NO SSA!! ha ha..I will laugh my ass off!!