Please don't let up. West Deptford residents need this political toilet flushing to get us back to fiscal sanity.

Good start - but, you might pay attention to Triad's sub-consultants, i.e., lawyers and other professionals paid to shepherd/oversee projects to/for New Jersey League of Municipalities' grant writer, i.e., Triad?????? Surely, Triad made full disclosure in its proposal of services?????

I loved how Donna and Denice kept the "Party line" on two major Democratic contributors. REALLY, Parker McCay and Phoenix !?!?!?!? Weren't they two of the major players in the WD debt crisis??? I still smell Gerry White, Steve Sweeney, George Norcross and Dave Shields in the WD halls...

To Sean, Sam and Ray: Last night was only the tip of the iceberg. WD still needs major repairs to get her house back in order. Were all counting on you so keep up the good work and fight the good fight. CLEAN HOUSE GUYS !!!!!

To Donna and Denice: Lets quit with the Party politics it won't work here in WD any longer because we are all WATCHING YOU NOW !!!!

What was so interesting about both Ms. Szymborski and Ms DiCarlo was their individual comments about working across party lines, yet opposing the obvious connections to the county democrat machine. Since bith work for private industry, was there a fear of their job security or simply that old saw of the party ahead of the people? One can only specualte and in the absence of them making a definitive statement, one makes one's own decission.

This is how clueless Sam really is!! How can you say you saved any money on the first day of a new year before the professionals have even started billing. They haven't even submitted their first bill and we saved 150k, on what basis Sam you moron. These professionals bill hourly so how can you estimate how many hors they are going to bill already? Come on Bryan, for you to publish an article like this really shows how little knowledge you have in the appointment of professionals and the businees of public government. All of the appointsments are party line republican donating firms mainly from Burlington county (Brandon Umba) but also attorney Mark Cimino.

well red it just goes to show you how moronic your comments are.the savings came when they ditched the insurance carrier which had ties with norcross.
right there is a significant savings. this is just the tip of the iceberg. what lies ahead a clean house with campo next and especially the clerk amy. she doesn't even know the robert rules of order. she just sat there because whenever a resolution was brought up the previous committe just said yes so amy didn't have to roll call.
people think they know but morons like red panties don't know diddily.

happyfeet and red underwear, please just grow up! The name calling isn't necessary and in very immature. Let it go! Let's see what this new administration is going to do, and stop judging them before they even get started. There's a huge mess in this township and people need to open their eyes, and stop the mud slinging, it's a complete turnoff!

Happyfeet, how about our mayor, the band director, calling for a "recall" on every reolution rather than a "roll call". that was pretty intelligent. Ernest, you are partially correct. You can tell a savings on the insurance side but on the rest of the professionals that bill hourly there is no way of telling how many hours they are going to bill. You can not simply say because they charge $10 less per hour that they are going to see a savings without knowing any of the issues that may arise this year

Larry, This is not new math here.. -$10 or $10 less means exactly that. Its $10 LESS.
Nobody know how many hours will be billed, but whatever is, it will be $10 LESS than the twp was formally being billed..
Get it?

I agree Larry, they can appear to have a lower hourly rate but bill more hours thus costing the township more money in the end. So you can not say that they are going to save money without knowing how many hours they will bill this year. But i'm not sure anyone has seen the proposals so i don't know if they were the lowest rates as Ernest suggested. Unless Ernest has seen the proposals he doesn't know either and is only speculating.

Imagine people, how many billable hours have been spent already in this township for the Sunoco issue???? I moved here in1994 and heard about it, only to find out now, that this issue with Sunoco is the same issue from back in 1994! It was never resolved, This past administration has allowed this to go on for all of these years!

The fact that you Republicans choose to see only what you want to see is nothing short of amazing.

To Ernest...Who did we appoint as here in WD? Anthony Ogozalek from Capehart Scatchard. Who did Freeholder Wallace push for last night at the County Reorg? Capehart Scatchard. So while you may not consider the County Republicans a "machine" your friends here in WD are doing NOTHING different than what you have opposed the Democrats doing for the last many years. Oh, and look a little further into Mr. Ogozalek, former mayor of Delran and a well connected member of the Burlington County Republican MACHINE. How is this any different than what you claim the Democrats to have done for all this time?

And to Mr. Bondar, the math is not nearly as simple as you make it out to be. Charge $10 less and bill an hour more, where does that put you? If you're the attorney, well ahead. If your the Township, well behind.

So what your saying is that you cant trust lawyers to do the right thing when billing hours? When I bill my clients, and I'm not an attorney, I list everything that I did and how long it took to do it. Its up to the persons paying me to review the billing statement before paying. Trust me in saying that it will be done by the NEW administration, so don't let that worry you. Your in good hands now.

If any of you are interested, and want to see numbers, this is the link to the investigation of former solicitor Angellini;http://slic.njstatelib.org/slic_files/digidocs/90/i622009a/i622009a.pdf
He was paid a fee plus incidentals; like the $85 per resolution. He had himself classified as a fulltime employee so as to collect a pension. He received health care coverage for himself and his family while receiving a 1099 for his wages; the form used for an independent contractor. No, I have not seen the proposals. For those of you that are interested, go to the municiple building and file the required OPRA form. It's all a matter of record. The issue is the township has been spent into debt by the previous democrat administartions. I do not enjoy living in debt; do you?
Finally, to ProudD and the rest of you that hide behind anonymity, have the courage and conviction to use your real name.
It is surprising that those of you so quick to criticize after one meeting have been so silent for the past years. One can only speculate what you got out of it.

It has been commented over the years that if someone is proud of their work or their words,then they sign their name.
As far as the Capehart firm, they submitted an RFP that was compared openly to other RFps. They were the lower. What do you not undersatnd about competitive bidding? Under the OPRA regulations, other RFPs are available. This leads a logical person to accept that other firms were higher.
Once again, if you are that proud, sign your name.

Proud D, why don't you sit back and let this whole thing play out. You haven't even given these guys a chance, and you're condemning them. This township is in a mess, and our children will be paying for it. Please stop defending the democrats, they are not angels. You need to have more than a one party administration, honestly, I would like to have seen an independent up there, just not Len Daws, that would be a nice balance.

Ernest, first you say you did not see any of the proposals now you say they had the lowest RFP. Which one is it Ernie? You can't have it both ways. If you didn't see it how do you know they gave a lower RFP????? Stop with the lies Ernie, they're getting old.

To Proud D;
Why not come to the committee meeting on Thursday, Jan 12th, and ask these questions in a public forum and not hide behind a penname on line?
I admit to being an outspoken critic of the township democrats. Part time people getting full time health care; an independent contractor paid with a 1099 and receiving the same healthcare benifits as well as getting into the state pension system; people walking into Riverwinds without paying; placing the name of former mayor Shields on Riverwinds; the FOX news investigation of the former mayor and his contrite answers while burdening the taxpayers with the costs; how much more?
Einstein defined insanity as doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. The people of this township spoke in the last election for change.
Come to a meeting and voice your concern.
The last thing one needs when in a deep hole is another shovel.

Proud D. If you don't approve of what they are doing, then you should grow a pair, build, organize and fund a campaign, run for Committee and WIN!. Problem solved and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Let us not forget where this all started, in response to Ernest's criticism of Donna/Denice's allegience to what he calls the "county dem machine." Yet, at the same time he has defended the Twp R's appointment of the same professionals endorsed by the GC R's and the same professionals with long, deep ties to the Rep party, mainly the Burl. Co. Rep machine. This leads me to believe that Sam Ray and Sean have pledged THEIR alliegence THEIR party machine. My intent thoroughtout this discussion has been to point out the hypocracy in the fact that to some, it's wrong for one party to allign with their county leadership but it's ok for the other party to allign with their county (or another county's) leadership. Again, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If it's wrong for the D's, it's wrong for the R's. For a long time, Sam, Ray and Ernest said it was wrong for the D's so I'm curious how this is different. So far, Ernest has not said why he thinks it is and I am left to believe it is the same and, in his eyes, wrong. Further, I am left to believe he is a hypocrite for now defending these appointments.
Lastly for the record and just so I'm clear, I am not criticizing the mere appointment of these firms or saying they shouldn't have been made. This is politics and Sam/Ray probably made the right appointments for themselves, politically. The problem for them is it flies in the face of their "people before politics mantra" when this was, clearly, politics.

No Ernie, in previous posts you claimed that they were hired because they submitted the lowest price in their RFP then you admitted not having seen all of the RFP's. So you contradicted yourself and lied about knowing if they were the lowest because you spoke to the new solicitor? What do you think he would say, "No Ernie, we submitted the highest RFP that's why we got hire" Come on you dope. They are the republican machine's choice because they donate the most money to the republican party in Burlington County. If you haven't seen all of the RFP's then how can you say they were the lowest????? Sam and Ray are nothing mroe the pawns for the County Republican machine, for which you have been crying for years when the democrats do the same. You sir are a major hypocrite.

i could give a rat's behind who got the job,if my taxes don't go up and they are not raping the wallets of the residents of west deptford,who cares and besides you don't see ray or sam collecting their salary.after all they are donating it to a scholarship for west deptford high schoolers and it could be your son anmd daughter.
but being a true and die hard dem you'll want no part of your children taking donations from sam or ray because they are hypocrytical.
dems are all alike they just want to be heard by submitting false information

Comment to Ernest... One word, Amen. Comment to others, if you can't show your name, you must have something to hide. Comment to Bryan- thanks for a great site, great reporting, and a nice way to keep everyone informed. To all, great dialogue here with passion evident and a common goal of having a nice and fiscally responsible town. My name is Steve Catando

Here's a note to Proud D:

Why don't you show us why the new professionals will be the disaster you claim? I did a little test to see what the "character" of the players was....

Google Capehart Scatchard and the word "investigation" you will see NOTHING negative about them is returned.
Google Michael Angelini and the word "investigation" WOW the first 5 returns are PRETTY damming articles about his "legal practices"

So in your eyes the lawyer who is a thief and charges you more is OK and the one with the spotless record who charges you less should be looked at under a microscope?

This is the Democratic mind-set everyone. This is EXACTLY why WD and in fact the entire county of Gloucester, under the rule of flaming Dem Steve Sweeney, is millions of dollars in debt....

I love the Dem way, let's accuse the other side of EXACTLY what we have been doing for years and hope nobody checks us....well Proud D I'm checking and you come up short.

Getting overbilled is nothing new. The old contractors were paid more and did nothing for their money. They did nothing for their money. Just ask some of the residents of the Grande. A simple solution is to have someone oversee the contracrtor on what they are contracted to do per each separate work order against the contract. Perhaps the chief inspector can handle review and providing an independant estimate of hours for each scope of work against a contractor.
On a separate note and perhaps in the future, Please look at the size of vehicles being used for the township inspectors. They do not need or require full size sedans to simply go out and inspect job sites.