you hit it on the head... if obama doesn't read something someone else wrote, he's like a deer in the headlights... the debate was a KO by Mitt...

Please, you are lost

Just as I stated before: Romney's past behavior is an indicator of what became his future behavior, in that he bullied a classmate when back in high school. It's a character issue here.

MR. COOL PRES WAS LOST WITHOUT HIS PROMPTER. HE LIES TOO...4 YEARS OF LIES AND DECEIT...COVER UPS... EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE TO PROTECT HIMSELF AND HIS COHORTS...

I think that another factor comes into play... how does Obama actually believe in what he has done... he's done nothing... when all the numbers are out and we are all in the same bad shape that we were in 4 years ago... how does he feel good about what he has done... he can't and I think that it showed in this 1st debate....

I agree with you. I believe President Obama looked out of his comfort zone.

>>Obama looked and acted like the inept fool<< I hear ya, kind of like the style some people use when they make comments on the internet.

A "fool"? Excuse me. When was the last time you were President of Harvard Law Review? Your opinion is one thing, but blatant disrespect and name calling...come on. You can do better than that can't you?

Read on Ricky, I did and I happen to see you in a deep intelligent discussion on Ann Romney's "over bleached hair" and to boot Romney's hair! Wow, now that was deep! And to you Ivy, the winner is chosen by a popularity vote! You, nor I have any idea of what Obama's intelligence actually is because he will not show his college records. Now the only thing we can make any type of judgement call is by his record of POTUS and I am sure I will come to the same conclusion, he is a fool/bafoon! totally inept!

Linda, rather than to get into name calling, which you seem low enough to resort to, I am going to take the high road and let the people of intelligence come the the conclusion, if they haven't already that Mitt is a liar. He is very good at it, that is for sure. FYI, I do happen to know of President's records, as my cousin graduated with him from Harvard.

inept fool is one thing he hasn't been. We can debate what has been done but you sitting in your bathrobe cant really be casting stones dearie...

Ivy you are truly pathetic and let's add very, very, gullible! You didn't really just say your cousin went to Harvard with Barry and that is how you know what is in the President of the United States school records! Pardon me why I lmao! I am sorry about that, but I sure hope you are not old enough to vote! Unbelievable!

And now let me get to you Big Bird! It doesn't matter what the hell I am wearing to you or anyone else. We as taxpaying Americans are paying his salary and we suffer from his INEPTITUDE AS PRESIDENT. All he is doing in blowing my money because he IS INEPT!

Ricky
Obama admitted he used drugs, so to follow your thinking he is a drug addict

>>Obama admitted he used drugs, so to follow your thinking he is a drug addict<<
Anyone who smokes on a regular basis, drinks alcohol on a regular basis, drinks coffee (caffeine) on a regular basis, has to have desert with their meal instead of dropping that habit, there are other examples but that's enough to say that there are many addicts out there. Drugs are chemicals just like nicotine, alcohol, sugar, caffeine, etc.

>>I did and I happen to see you in a deep intelligent discussion on Ann Romney's "over bleached hair"<< There is an account named 'Ric' ..'Rick' etc and other similar looking profile names. You need to stay alert if you want to stay on track in these discussion threads.

Ricky I apologize for the mistake. I will be more careful in the future. I still maintain Obama is a totally inept fool and he needs to go.

AMEN!!

He's been an inept fool since he took office. It was the smug look on his face that made me wanna barf. Can't wait till election day to get rid of that POS.

That grown up would be who? Mr. I'm Mexican Romney, please.

Yes Ivy, he was the President of the Harvard Law Review... the funny part is that he never actually wrote a review? Interesting huh? Manchurian Candidate much?

I agree with Dan...they both explained their version of what the other one was going to do! Why can't they say what precisely they will do and how and why!...it's all that matters!

Ivy, you have to be thinking of dummer when you say liar, because he has made a career at it. Everytime he opens his mouth he tells another lie, the only difference between you and I, is I'm smart enough to see it, you aren't.

Yes, Dan, all the arguing and innuendos....in the end it is BS. Fact it, we the American people do not know the inner workings at the Presidential level. I don't wish to argue with you, as I agree. peace

Ricky, you're kidding me. THAT's what you're grasping at? A "bullying" incident from 50 years ago. When Obama, the Thug-in-Chief bullies us Americans EVERY day with his Executive orders that bypass Congress?

Ric, nice analysis or the CURRENT situation!!

Ricky - Really?!?! "I know you are but what am I" is the best you can do? I support Romney but, unlike our President and the Bin Laden killing, I won't be spiking the ball until after the election.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/family-of-romneys-alleged-bully-victim-speaks-out-the-portrayal-of-john-is-factually-incorrect/ Take a look at this link and see that the campaign ad that the Obama people put out is well as usual WRONG! Here is the family of this person coming out and saying that this never happened!!! I am not saying that both sides do not stretch the truth but, here is a blatant LIE!!! Well, here the Obama campaign attack ad about this attack has been disproved. Then they come and want Romney to release tax returns after his 2011 taxes were finished he released them. How about Obama stops spending MILLIONS of dollars trying to keep his college transcripts sealed! What is he trying to hide? Where was Obama when "Dirty" Harry Reid came out (without showing proof) and said that Romney hasn't paid taxes in 10 years and where was he when Reid again came out and attack Romney over his religion? What does he want to make it look like he is keeping his hand clean? Come on there Mr. Axelrod and Mr. Obama we the public are alot smarter than you give us credit for. We all know what Chicago politics are all about!!!

this pompous, arrogant jackass is SO grown up he's about to start wearing Depends! We dont need or want another Senior Citizen in the White House. this job is for a younger person, not someone eligible to collect Social Security. Oh, that's right, the Republicans want to STEAL your social security to give to their Wall Street Buddies. Really, how can a guy who makes his money off his investments (like any of us 99%'s even know what that is...mine were stolen by the Bushies) even have any clue what we go through to survive each day. OBAMA WILL WIN

Your past behavior is always an indicator of your future behavior. Romeny still has it in him to degrade persons who he feel are not equal to him.

Manalapan - Since when has youth been an indicator of intelligence? That's a logic train I do not care to board.

Ricky - I would imagine then that President Obama's commentary supporting the Rev. Wright is of equal concern to you or does accountability only matter when it is a Republican candidate?

Well then Ricky, if your past behavior is an indicator, then under that premise Barack Obama is still a party animal engaging in both using and dealing drugs! Would you like to concede to that? I don't believe that to be true, but I hold that he is at best he is inept for the position of President of the United States!

What's the matter Ricky, you "boy" couldn't keep up with the real smart Man last night? Isn't that a shame! He is know as the "Teleprompter Kid" remember without someone telling his what to say, he is lost for words.

As far as him being President of a law review, well that all remains to be seen, because no one has seen any records with any truth to that fact. He has made sure that everything is kept secret for a reason, there is something he doesn't want people to see, otherwise he would have made sure everyone saw things to "Shut us up".

We have all been saying for quite sometime now, this jerk is an idiot and can't speak before a live audience without a teleprompter, and it only showed last night. Romney beat him at his own game and will do so again to show what a real phoney this idiot is. And as far as respect, that is something that must be earned, and he has done nothing to give any or earn any respect. He is a poor excuse for a man or a politician, but we have to remember, he is only a filthy democrat .

Lets see, Romney cut some weird kid hair in school and Obama smoked dope and admitted in his loving book to his fathers dream (to destroy America) that he was in a daze throughout highschool. Who do I want to run this country? A guy who isn't afraid to make decisions that's who, and guy who is in a daze isn't exactly the kind of guy I want. Another thing that really ticks me off about Obama is how he worshipped his bum father who rather off after he got the white girl pregnant. No thanking his grandmother or mother who raised him and loved him. He just worshipped the bum who took off. Really a class #1 creep. Hope he gets whipped real bad in the election. Dazed freak.

You've had 4 years of Obama and "have" seen how he'd handle things. How's that working out for you ! Your children & grandchildren are unfortunately going to have to pay for the mess we're in.

Obama said the same thing years ago,like when he would talk about taking a scalpel to the budget and surgically remove items instead of slashing (a term McCain used). Obama was never specific on anything except his determination to spread the wealth.

Actually, Sal. He very specifically and methodically stated HOW he will get things done. You must have some Obama-sheep-wool in your ears. There's a reason God gave you two ears and one mouth. Shut up and listen and you'll hear exact details on what President Romney will do.

Sal, how does it feel to not have your own opinion? How does it feel to have David Axelrod, CNN and the NY Times shape it for you?

Sal - most people, and most media outlets, had NO problem four years ago when candidate Obama had ZERO explanation for how he would do what he promised.

Sal - I think that he explained what his objectives are quite thoroughly. I also agree with him that setting down in stone the specific manner in which those goals are achieved would be foolhardy at this point. Romney recognizes that as President one needs to work with both parties. He did state that in so doing he will seek plans from both parties on how to achieve those objectives. I think that is prudent, presidential and indicative of a leader. So long as his goals of reducing the debt load and nurturing job creation are met, I think that he'll be successful as President.

Romney took the State of Mass. who's economy 50th to 27th in 4 years with a house that was 87% Democrat He improved the school system and gave the state an affordable health care system without raising taxes. Obama might have the name but Romney has the know how.

Romney didn't say anything??? Come on now. All Obama spewed was a rehersed speach. Talked about his wife, grandmother and Abe Lincoln! Seriously dude Mitt had an answer for every one of Obama's accusations. Obabma talks in circles. Says all the buzz words. So if your not paying attention, or are not that smart to begin with, it sounds like the fool knows what he is talking about.

>>Your children & grandchildren are unfortunately going to have to pay for the mess we're in<< Bill Clinton was the last President to preside over a balanced budget. It went out of the galaxy during GW Bush and continues to do the same right now. So it's an equal opportunity mess.

Romney sound very good last night because he believe his own lies, he said what the American want to listens at. But he didn't say "How" Rommey changes his mind as I chaged shoes everyday. He has never being constant with his ideas. He just plays around depends who is in front of him. I am not saying that president Obama has done a great job but his platform has most reality.

Sal, it doesn't matter how he is going to do it its just important that he IS going to do something beside run this country in the ground and make us a disgrace to the world.

I wonder if you blindly voted for MR O...or should I state MR ZERO in 2008 or did you even begin to question just how he was going to fundamentally change America?
His mantra was CHANGE...Change we can believe in. During the debate the big O insisted on getting specifics from Romney, but he never provided any details on what his changes would be when he ran in 2008. The sheep followed him, and the "bought" media propped him up, embellished and polished his facade even more to the point where the big O grew more audacious and deluded himself into believing
he actually could deceive most people All the time. A fatal flaw! When you are a chameleon and morph into different personalities and lie...finally you are so fractured that you need a TelePrompTer to help you define who you are supposed to be at that moment. No wonder he keeps himself away from people. Isolation is safer. With distance there is less chance of someone seeing how unqualified you are.

Hey Sal. Were you listening to the debate last night or did you just read the NY Times or Axelrod for your opinion? He was quite clear how he would accomplish those goals. Were you as critical when the massive health care bill was rammed down our throats without any details or did someone at MSNBC tell you the it's OK because Nancy Pelosi said, and I quote, "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it."

The Romnesia expressed by this GOP candidate was quite a "tell". He out and out lied that his medical plan covers people with pre-existing conditions. His own people have admitted that the plan does not! You are covered only by the insurance you can pay for. (No easy feat with that job you don't have) If you have High blood pressure, asthma, heart disease, arthritis or cancer, THIS MEANS YOU!

This is the first intelligent comment thus far.

He did say how, and I beleive that plan will work. Give small businesses a break on their taxes so they can hire people, in legitimate tax paying jobs. This will increase tax revenues. Obama thinks increasing taxes will increase revenue, when all it does is chase people into jobs that pay under the table, no taxes....no revenue, then he raises them more, and more people go "underground". The same is true of hire minimum wages. Let the people keep more of what they make. Lower the tax rate.

If you bring your non working car to a mechanic who advertises car repair......one would expect that 4 days (4 Years) later the car is going to be fixed....not have the mechanic telling you that it was broken when you brought it in!......Obama isn't saying we are waiting for a part-just telling you it was broke when you brought it in. WE knew that! Time to get a new mechanic!

george L - I am so going to steal that analogy. Thank you for putting the situation in terms I think that any American can understand.

Bloomberg News confirmed the President's statement as true...

First, Obama was not explaining economics; he was referring to a part of the tax code that allows companies who shutter a plant/headquarters, etc. and move to deduct the expenses associated with that move from their taxable income. Second, as Spooner notes, that actually is part of the tax code (although it does not distinguish between moving overseas vs. just moving to a different state). Third, the most disappointing part of the comment is that Obama did not hit Romney over the head with it. All that said, Romney won last night handily.

" I do kinda feel Bad for Obama having to debate on his wedding anniversary.. What a way to spend it."

is that statement for real? FYI, he's the one who agreed to the debate, i'm sure several dates were given for all to agree on and there's bigger fish to fry when you're the POTUS,family life comes 2nd...and have you seen the first lady,who's really WANT to be w/ her. She comes off as wearing the pants in the family.

@MyOpinion, did you also feel bad for Obama that he had to deliver a fund raiser in Las Vegas merely hours after his Libyan Ambassador was slaughtered?

And he started off the fund raiser by saying "We had a rough day." YOU THINK???!!!???

Awww, the poor baby!! POTUS just works soooo hard!

Are you kidding?! I think he purposely agreed to debate on his wedding anniversary! He thought it would get him sympathy points. "Oh, look at me, it's my anniversary but I really need to do this debate. Michelle understands.....boo hoo...."

I don't feel sorry for him for having to work on his anniversary as so do millions of other people in the Country! This overgrown teenager has been partying for over 3 1/2 years! Give me a break it is time he and his wife grown up! There is always an excuse. He is inept! He needs to go and go quickly before he can do anymore damage to the Country.

Spoon, I wouldn't believe anything that Bloomberg has to say, a dem turned independent turned republican turned democrat again, talk about flip flop, this guy has no idea what he wants or he just goes along with what he thinks people want at the moment.

Yeah feel bad...Obama takes golf over dealing with the crisis overseas...Our soldiers getting killed in Afghanistan....Oh poor Obama missed his Wed. nite date nite...TOO BAD...OBAMA WORKS FOR THE PEOPLE. WELL THAT IS THE WAY IT IS SUPPOSE TO BE BUT, MR. COOL PRES THINKS OTHERWISE...

that was the perfect answer and he said it proudly,with conviction and determination to keep to the Constitution and Declaration.

yea send everyone to china

Thank you Simple Truth, I am a small business owner in a small town and everything that Mr. Romney said is absolutely TRUE!!!! People need to realize that Mitt Romney has successfully run a business and a state! That is not an easy task..... I think that his honesty, resourcefulness and fortitude will be a wonderful contribution if he becomes President of our wonderful country.... His work ethics and honesty should be admired by all including our current President!

MITT IN 2012!!!!! You diehard Dems will never learn.... I am not Dem or Rep but, Romney has my vote. I had enough of Curious George's antics and lies. Biden is a stupid clown that, would be living in his car if, being a clown was his full time job. He is an embarrassment to this country. No one knows about Obama's college because, he paid 1 million dollars to seal them. So, Ivy you know nothing about Obama's college. Guess liars have liars as followers.....

That would be INDEPENDENT. If you are going to shout, shout it with accuracy.

KC, pointing out a typo as if it is meaningful is similar to what most libs do. They point out distinctions without differences and think they are brilliant for it. By the way, the word "it" in your comment is not necessary and awkward.

Who is Obomber? Is that Mitt Witt's nickname for Paul Ryan?

"...from the clean end" If you know the quote (Lewis Black), enough said.

bayboat, you mean someone forgot to wake Obama up from his daze.

I am stunned to think that the President (being the smartest person in the world) didn't have any say in the scheduling of this debate. Note to self: "Anniversaries are on the same day every year."

You forget the best excuse of all. Al Gore saying that the President was affected by the high altitude in Colorado.

Except Romney never, ever said he would cut revenue $5 trillion. You never heard him say that. You only heard the President and his campaign say that he said that.

he was pretty clear on that subject.

by cutting taxes, it will enable more companies to grow and hire more people. More people (working and paying into the system) paying tax makes up for the amount made by tax cuts.

Where were Obama's details?

Read the tax articles...Romney can do away with all these tax loopholes etc and it still will not cover the expense of lowering the tax rate...and even with more people paying taxes... so in other words, there will be a negative, which in normal terms means a defecit.......the math is not there..please research and read..just don't take the both candidates words, that everything they say is true.

Deborah, show us the math. I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but by simply saying that the added revenue from closing loopholes and broadening the tax base will not compensate for the lower rates, you're just repeating the democratic response.

A grand slam.

HAHA! That's funny. And did you see how fast they left afterwards? Obama was going home to get some! HOLLA! 'SUP!

Obama couldn't wait to get out of there and have a beer. Mitt was pleased and went home to prepare to be President. Something Obama still hasn't done.

jerseyswamps, yes Michelle wanted to go home with Mitt but it was along with Barrack. They wanted to console Mitt because he was left alone. Bleached blonde Ann had already left to go home with the "help"! You know Mormons have strange views about polygamy. HA!HA! That's funny. Mitt was not going to get some.HOLLA! 'SUP!

Ric, what is it with you and Romney hair? You're care if someone colors their hair and you tell us Mitt wears a rug? Your guy just embarrassed himself so badly even Michelle didn't want to be seen with him up on the stage.
I wonder where the Presidential couch is in the White House. BHO will be using it a lot.

Ric, what are you talking about? Ann was right there on the stage with Mitt at the end. Did you even watch the debate? jerseyswamps had a great line. Stop stepping on it.

@jerseyswamped Mitt coiffure makes him looks like Mike Dukakis grinning in a tank. Bad hair is bad on a flaky Mormon right winger as much as it is on a Greek Orthodox left winger and god knows the kooks on the far right had a field day about Dukakis’s hair. I will continue to make fun of Mitt's bad hair and his wife's bleached beyond repair hair. I am still better than you after what you said about our president's wife. Get a clue before you cry foul, next time. You are like a child complaining to his mother that his sibling also stole a cookie from the cookie jar.HOLLA! 'SUP!

@Me. Whatcha talking about? You do not know what Ann did after the cameras were turned off. My southern Baptist father always warned me that the bible taught that women with bleached hair had low morals.
By the way, Michelle never even hinted what jerseyswamped said. Get a clue before you cry next time. You also are like a child complaining to his mother that his sibling also stole a cookie from the cookie jar. HOLLA! 'SUP

Ric - Your sage commentary is indicting to me that you are wearing your angry pants. Sit back, have a cup of tea, do a little yoga and I promise...your heart rate will come down. Have you actually resorted to "hair" assessments in this campaign? I guess much like Chris Matthews....you've lost that tingle down your leg at the mere mention of President Obama's name.

All I read was "wah, wah, copy, paste, copy, paste, wah, copy, paste." Come up with your own jokes and grow up. And you must be a hoot down at the Southern Baptist Church! Just admit it. The line was funny. Come on Ric. Laugh alittle.

@Donna. Do you still think the president of the USA reports to the president of Israel? Do you still cling to the myth that Israel has revolving door access to the White House?
You are another of those like a child complaining to his mother that his sibling also stole a cookie from the cookie jar. If you cannot take it then do not dish it.
PS: to "me" alittle is actually two words

Ricky,
I wish I could take credit for the line. As I said I heard it. Liberals are good at poking fun at the other side but they can't take a good line if it is on them.
BTW, I love seeing you comment on the Romney family hair. It shows that's all you got! YOUR guy exposed himself as the fool he is and the only thing you got is Romney hair? Love it! Keep it coming.

I'm guessing you are going to bring up the Vietnam War next. Why? The same reason you brought up Israel. And what's that reason? I have no idea. It has nothing to do with the conversation. Ric, comment?

Ric - Sorry but your reply did not come with subtitles. What on God's green earth are you talking about?

Oh Jerseyswamps.... that was a good one...

Solyndra was "BUILT TO FAIL", allowing a hand-off of your tax dollars to the principles. That debacle also put a bad taste in the mouth of the general public with respect to all solar - which is a shame, because not only does it work, but we CAN make those panels here. I actually proposed almost a decade ago that consideration be given to reducing cost on gallium arsenide monocrystalline solar cells through the economy of scale, manufacturing them here. I brought up the idea of supplementing the output at Lacey - SUPPLEMENTING - and was shot down by folks who thought I was implying that you could produce the same power on that site with solar.

Electrical charge doesn't care where it's generated - which is why the grid is actually a giant "parallel" network...The switching and control infrastructure is as important as the generators. When Oyster Creek shut down for a short period last month, did the lights go out in Lacey? No? Why? Because the power comes from the grid, and Oyster Creek is not the only generator on the grid.

Last week, on Wednesday, my opponent was in Lacey, telling the folks there that he was going to help keep the plant and the jobs in Lacey, or build a new plant there. THE FOLLOWING DAY, Christie announced the REAL plans, mentioning the proposed three replacement "Gas" generating plants elsewhere in the State. Did Runyan NOT KNOW these were already in the plan? If he did, what was the show with Birdsall Engineering and the Republicans for?

"Obama supports LOSERS" And Losers support Obama! O got spanked! on his anniversary! O_0

Fred- I wouldn't go that far and say "it was built to fail" Like any start up they took risks with bringing a new technology to market, only to have the Chinese undercut the American market with cheap old technology imports which are now going up on a number of homes in NJ.

Spooner - When you say "they" took risks, with whose money did "they" take those risks? And please don't tell me it was "Obama's stash." In my business, it has been my savings on the line....not my neighbor's savings in the form of tax dollars. It's easy for President Obama to be generous and risky with other people's money. The lesson learned, however, is that is not how a successful economy runs. Romney was right on one thing....Obama does have a knack for picking losers.

Jon, Because all those losers he chose are big contributors to his campaign... why can't people see this! Are they in sleep mode?

Eleanor - I was thinking exactly the same thing. Obama looked tired, disinterested and so over the job as President. I really do not think he wants a second term, but his handlers own him. He has no choice in the decision. Enthusiastic is not an adjective I would have used to describe him by any measure.

Patsy, these idiots just don't want to see anything, and many are just voting for him because of color, they don't even know who they're voting for just because he's black. They don't care about whether he can do the job, just because of color, he's black so he must be able to do the job and he'll be there for me, like hell he will. These people are the same ones that call us racists because we don't want to vote for him.

Amen! This election is such a joke. It's good to find someone here with a sense of humor. Thanks.

Allison,
What's funny about 23 million people out of work?
What's funny about 8% unemployment for ~40 straight months?
What's funny about 16 Trillion dollars of debt that our Children will have to pay?
What's funny about gas prices being 100% higher than when Obama took office?
What's funny about the fact that gas price increase hit everything from consumer goods to commercial raw materials to transportation and leisure industries?
What's funny about our Ambassador being slaughtered and sodomized on 9/11?
What's funny about our Sovereign territories being stormed and having the Al-Qaeda flag waiving above them while our Secy of State apologizes for the First Amendment?
Here's the answer: Nothing is funny about it.

But Obama sure had plenty of smirks and smiles last night. All of these people who think he's so damn intelligent. I can't see why.

Good one, Hank! I'm waiting for the talent competition--that's where Romney will really win!

Jim Lehrer blasted for his performance in first presidential debate

Obummer got 4 more minutes than Mitt and still couldn't talk his way out of the last 4 years of misery. If he had something to say, he had plenty of opportunity to do so.

The fact is that Obama spoke for more total minutes then Romney. Both of them ignored Lehrer's attempts to reel them in equally.

Margret, what debate did you watch? What colored glasses did you have on while you watched?

Did you not see Obama (the Thug-in-Chief) bully Mr Lehrer, even scolding him for interrupting him? Yes, he scolded the moderator.

But you only saw supposed "bullying" by Mitt Romney, even when Obama had 4 more total minutes (about 8% more time) than Romney.

Is that all you could say about the 1+hrs. of the debate that Romney is a bully?! Just because Romney was just stating the facts straight because Obama lie on top of lies. Instead of focusing on what is going on in America, all you have to think about is the time limit. That's sad!

First it's Bush's fault, now its Jim Lehrer's fault. Are you unable to make the President take accountability for anything?

Agreed!

We have changed the meaning of bullying to mean someone who knows the truth and states it, or even dares to make a correction regarding a misrepresentation of facts. That is now what a bully is. When I was growing up while dinosaurs roamed the earth, a bully used to be a guy who would threaten you until you got the courage up to knock him on his ass.

You've been in office for the last four years, why haven't you done this already? Romney to Obama. You man was schooled yesterday. Don't blame Lehrer, both candidates went over their time. Spin it how ever you want, Romney won. Otherwise, the left wouldn't be furious this morning.

r u so desperate for one good night that you are in denial about the serial miscues that the entire nation has been watching and listening to lo these many months, do you serioulsy think that Mitt the twits diconnect from the every day man will ever be overlooked by a greater discerning audience?
I don't.

And are you so desperate that we must through more of the same? Unemployment over 8%, debt $16 trillion, gridlock in DC, failed foreign policy. Obama can't cover up without the teleprompter and main stream media. He was lost. You can continue (and I'm sure you will) call Romney a liar and all the other derisive names you have for him, but the bottom line is that Obama makes Jimmy Carter look good. And as much as you think Obama relates to you Stew, he doesn't care about anyone. Middle class has been hammered the last four years. Not my words, the VP's. And the Prez didn't offer any solutions.

We know what you mean Margaret. You don't have to post again just because you've been in the dark and still wants to be in the dark.

Obama didn't PASS the bill - it was before his time - but the Congress did. In fact, it may have put him in office - still more negative fallout.

I like Ron Paul's comment on that, when asked why he didn't support it. "I read it".

ACA is 2700 PAGES long. How many members of the Congress have actually read - not even understood, simply "read" it? I have. It basically handed off control of your future health to the NAIC and it's ilk. Insurance Underwriters deciding whether you are worthy to be treated...too old, too sick, to politically incorrect...don't think it's coming? You already let it inside the walls.
Slay that dragon and start over with a streamlining in the processes of Medicare / Medicaid, and a widening of the "aperture" to make the program wholly inclusive, albeit, perhaps, with a tiered system of financial participation. In fact, that tiered system should almost certainly mirror the one applied to taxation.

Best lesson from last night's debate? The issues at State level belong in the State legislature, not solved by a hand-out from Uncle Sam - meaning neighboring States. The biggest entitlement whores are the States and Local governments themselves.

They didn't bring it up because it was an 800 lb. gorilla in the room. Obama voted for it. Romney says he would have supported it if he had been in Congress. It's not hard to understand why - both receive substantial funding from the beneficiaries of that program and wouldn't want to upset them. But over time, as voters have educated themselves on TARP and its effects, the more they tend to disapprove of it, and rather than admit that they were on the wrong side, both Obama & Romney have decided they're better off sweeping it under the rug.

You say Romney doesn't have a plan, but where was the President's plan? He couldn't even defend his last four years. Hold everyone to the same standard. And by the way, Romney laid out specifics, maybe you clicked to the Yankee game when he did.

sp - So are you saying that Obama is no longer "fresh & ready" to lead our nation? I would have to agree with you. Interestingly the results of what President Obama promised our great country four years ago do not seem to matter to you. Either he lied then or he simply is not up for the task. I hope that your expectations of those in your life aren't equally as low.

I agree TaxPayer... why are our stations CBS, NBC and ABC not reporting the News as it is.... Why are they so biased... what has happened to honest and truthful reporting? What is going on?

Who is Obummer? Is that Mitt's nickname for that nitwit Paul Ryan? By the way, Biden is not the Mormon but Mitty is. Next time make sure you call the right Mormon the moron.

Is “O-Blah-Ma” more appropriate Ric? And that "Nitwit" (as you call him) Paul Ryan is going to embarrass Biden; not that that buffoon Biden needs any help! It’s ok Ric, someone has to win and someone has to lose. Like your boy Obama……you just pick LOSERS.

Ric-- Robert D did not call Biden a Mormon. He correctly called him a moron. And everybody on earth knows that "Obummer" is the current idiot-in-chief at the White House. You are on another planet.

Quick Spanish lesson:

It's "mano", not "mono".
:-)

Tom, I do back you in your point, but you just said "monkey to monkey". STOP BEING RACIST!!

@Stinki Garbaage. Sorry, it was a typo.
@Me. Where did you come up with monkey to monkey? See: http://www.beedictionary.com/common-errors/mono_e_mono_vs_mano_a_mano. There was nothing Racist meant by my commentary.

For laughs, here is another part of my thread, which was not included in my initial posting on this forum:

On the lighter side, it was Joe Biden’s turn to cringe at his running mate’s on stage performance last night. Jimmy Carter called President Obama and thanked him! But Hugo Chavez had more than just words of comfort for the beleaguered leader of the free world: http://craftkevin.com/2011/11/18/un-hate-ad-smh/

http://www.freetranslation.com
Type in "mono a mono" and select the Spanish in the first dropdown and English in the second. Translate.

I know you weren't racist. Just busting your chops.

Wouldn't it be great if these Community Organizers did something productive for a living instead of just foment dissent for dissent's sake?

You are right. Obama would be fired for bad performance in the private sector. No results. No budgets for three years. He is not engaging Congress. Not doing his job. This is what people are starting to see now. People voted for him initially, in 08...not due to his "talent" or because he had a plan. That's the mistake Washington insiders always make. They think it's the specfics. In reality people voted for him in '08 because they were tired of republicans - after 8 years and suddenly in a bad recession... long war(s)... and so many wanted a change and he was the only alternative...and looked good enuf at the time to take a shot on. Plus we got the racist thing out of the way - a good side benefit. We elected a black man. Now hopefully we advance even more: we can FIRE a bad PRESIDENT even if he IS black without having to be called a racist. The content of character - or performance - rather than the color of his skin (BTW this fear of seeming racist is the reason between the discconnect between Obama's likeability numbers and the actual votes he will get). So tonight's big win from Romney now opens up that possibility - since Romney is competent, and our current Pres is not we SHOULD fire him and its ALL GOOD. No need to feel uncomfortable doing it. I will do it in the voting booth - with RELISH.

@ Frank. I think Americans were so far over about racism. But because of Obama, it's all coming back.

Romney has all the signs of a sure loser: wishy-washy personality, lack of fully fleshed out ideas (even though he's been running for nearly 6 years), from Massachusetts (which has produced two other loser candidates in the past 24 years), and ultimately agreeing with the incumbent President far too often for some to be comfortable supporting him. I was someone who desperately wanted the GOP to nominate a candidate that is vastly superior to the current President. They picked this bum instead, who is disingenuous and every bit as liberal as Obama (don't believe me? Look up his record in Massachusetts). The GOP screwed the pooch big time, as there's no way I'm ever going to support a candidate with which I have absolutely no common ground.

Clueless if you vote for Obama? Check your inflation stats and get a clue. Everytime there's an inflation scare tactic raised, it blows up in their face. Try deflation, not inflation. Plus, please don't take maintstream media ideas like $16 trillion in debt, inflation, blah blah, and project that type of reasoning for the rationale behind being disillusioned. There are many things this president should have done and should still do, which require massive more spending and higher taxes ( at some point), but you don't hear the media or anyone for that matter, talking about it. It's all framed around the party system, their corporate masters, and thererfore a reflection not of what is really needed (like a modern day New Deal, single payer healthcare) but of corporate desires, not people's.

TCG. Out of curiosity what would you say was a Romney lie?

Manalapan Resident: So you are blaming the $16 trillion deficit, the steady REAL unemployment rate above 11%, the slowing economy, the spiralling cost of living, the lowering of middle class wages on the old and by now rather dusty "Bush Lied/People Died" chant? I'll happily give you the $1.4 trillion cost of the wars. Agreed. A terrible waste. I'll give you Bush's prescription drug benefit program as another budget buster (I guess that's why Teddy Kennedy supported it). But many conservatives are not Bush fans. And the fact is that Obama's philosphy is a discredited one whose verdict we are seeing being read loud and clear in Europe. Top-down, centralized economies micro-regulated from on high by enlightened technocrats is a recipe for low growth (check) chronic high unemployment (check) and an expansion of unsustainable entitlement programs (check). What could Obama have done? Fair point. He could have held off on Obamacare. He could have greatly simplified Dodd-Frank. He could have been loud and clear about keeping indiv. tax rates in place. He could have lowered the corporate tax rate to make America more competitive. He could have listened to his own commission on deficit reduction. He could have not encacted stimulus that did little but balloon the deficit and reward his contributors. The list goes on. No one is saying that Romney can fix it. That remains to be seen. But we know that Obama cannot. That he is in over his head. A great orator, but...

Ask Obama, he promised to straighten it out, no one forced him to say that,he also said that if he didn't, he would be a one term president . Obama promised that he would cut the deficit in half,maybe Bush lied,maybe Romney lied but are you so blind that you don't see the biggest liar of all.? the proof is right in front of you...open YOUR eyes

I'm equally appalled about Gov. Johnson's exclusion. I know that both parties like it that way - they can go on with their charade on how completely different they are (which anyone who really follows politics knows isn't the case) and not have someone call them out on their lies. During the one major debate that Johnson took part in when he was seeking the GOP nomination, he made the most of the very limited time that was given to him. I have no doubt that, if he is given the forum that he deserves as someone who has the experience that is sorely lacking from the other candidates, he will do the same in this setting as well.

I'm voting for Gary Johnson. He's smart, he's independent and he's got the right ideas for the future!

I tend to disagree with you, Richard. The margin is close and for those who are teetering, they may no longer be. let's see what the future debates bring. Obama needs to up his game if he wants those who have teetered right back to the left.

Income tax revenue in 2012 is $1.2 Trillion
20% cut (which isn't real) would be $240B
to get to $5 trillion of less revenue, that would take 25 years

Rules for Radicals requires the organizers to lie to inflame the topic so people will react.

In 2012 federal spending was $3.8 T or $1.3 T more than revenues

Liberals don't think that the problem is spending. Look at the FACTS. Spending is UP and keeps going up.

Year Total
Receipts Outlays Surplus or Deficit (–)
2007 2,567,985 2,728,686 -160,701
2008 2,523,991 2,982,544 -458,553
2009 2,104,989 3,517,677 -1,412,688
2010 2,162,724 3,456,213 -1,293,489
2011 2,303,466 3,603,061 -1,299,595
2012 estimate 2,468,599 3,795,547 -1,326,948
2013 estimate 2,901,956 3,803,364 -901,408
2014 estimate 3,215,293 3,883,095 -667,802
2015 estimate 3,450,153 4,059,866 -609,713
2016 estimate 3,680,085 4,328,840 -648,755
2017 estimate 3,919,275 4,531,723 -612,448

A 20% tax rate cut is not a 20% cut in tax revenue. Under Romney's plan $5 trillion in revenue would be lost over 10 years.

Romney has also not expressed any way in which his proposals would cause the deficit to decrease. The only thing that Romney would change, based on his words last night, is a decreased focus in spending on essential services for Americans and an increased focus on defense spending.

While Romney did not concede the $5 trillion figure, he did agree with Obama's point that the main budgetary difference between the two was that Romney would seek to achieve a more balanced budget by cutting spending only and Obama would work to achieve a balanced budget through combination of some cuts and some increased revenue. Both were accepting of the truth of ideas that Obama would increase taxes only on Americans with incomes over $250,000 and the fact that the overwhelming majority of Americans have paid meaningfully lower taxes under Obama then previously.

LOL $168 million over ten years? Are you serious? Hell I know four-man operations who make well more than $16.8 million a year in revenues! Are you serious? Go to the beach and pick up a grain of sand. Now look up at the rest of the beach. That grain of sand is your $16.8 million a year. The beach is the $1.2 trillion annual deficit. This is so inconsequential that only a partisan hack would even consider this worthy of mention on the national stage. This is 1,000 levels below obscure. I should hope Romney wouldn't know about this. It's way too small potatoes for him.

Kind of like the amount of money the government gives to fund programs like big bird, huh?

You are missing the point that there is something wrong with the government encouraging businesses to go overseas.

Ridgewood Mom: Fine cut the loophole. It is too small to matter to even be mentioned when juxtaposed against a trillion+ deficit and $16T national debt. As for PBS, like all ancillaries I do not believe it is the function of government to support television networks. Romney was using that as an example of government overreach to illustrate an overall principle of his views on the proper role of the federal government. Also how government spending can bleed the nation by a thousand cuts. Obama seemed to bring this point up as a one-off, as if such small dollar amounts are a significant and substantive reason in and of themselves for jobs being moved overseas...clearly not the case. It makes a anice talking point which is Obama's forte, but certainly has no impact on the real reason why businesses are moving overseas--and why I'm moving my to TX. There are areas of the world (and states here at home) that are less hostile to business. (I freely admit that was just my interpretation based on context of the answers).

From your link: "The nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation estimated that ending the deduction for moving operations overseas would raise $168 million over a decade, while the 10-year cost of the tax credit would be $255 million, meaning the measure would carry a net cost of $87 million over 10 years, said Stabenow spokesman Cullen Schwarz. Companies could continue to deduct moving expenses for jobs transferred to the U.S. "

So, according to this article: Right now we lose $168 million in tax collections for moving jobs overseas. But if we bring them back and give them a credit, we'll lose $255 million in tax collections. So we'll lose MORE MONEY if we bring the jobs home with this credit. And the reason you want to bring the jobs home is what now?
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I have to ask, can anyone point me to the line in the tax code about a tax credit for moving jobs overseas? The answer is no. Do you know why? It's because there is no specific tax break for moving jobs overseas. There are tax write-offs for businesses that are not location specific, so when a company moves overseas they can use that tax write-off and save money. If you want to plug the hole, just make the original write-offs all dependent on the expenses occurring on US Soil. Then we don't lose the $168 million to begin with. We have a net INCREASE in collections of $168.

Do you know why our leaders don't put this out there as a possibility? Because a. They don't bother to know the tax code & b. Even the ones that do, don't care. They like slinging mud.

Does it bother anyone else on this board that our leaders don't give us the truth, they twist things to their advantage, and then the lie gets repeated by us? Does anyone else find it disgusting? This is just one of many half truths being tossed around this election season. Think people. Do you really want to vote for part of the machine that brings you lies?

ROMNEY on the failure of Obama's economic policy: "And the proof of that is 23 million people out of work. The proof of that is 1 out of 6 people in poverty. The proof of that is we've gone from 32 million on food stamps to 47 million on food stamps. The proof of that is that 50 percent of college graduates this year can't find work."

THE FACTS: The number of unemployed is 12.5 million, not 23 million.

ROMNEY: "At the same time, gasoline prices have doubled under the president. Electric rates are up."

THE FACTS: He's right that the average price has doubled, and a little more, since Obama was sworn in. But presidents have almost no influence on gasoline prices, and certainly not in the near term. Gasoline prices are set on financial exchanges around the world and are based on a host of factors, most importantly the price of crude oil used to make gasoline, the amount of finished gasoline ready to be shipped and the capacity of refiners to make enough to meet market demand.

Retail electricity prices have risen since Obama took office — barely. They've grown by an average of less than 1 percent per year, less than the rate of inflation and slower than the historical growth in electricity prices. The unexpectedly modest rise in electricity prices is because of the plummeting cost of natural gas, which is used to generate electricity.

ROMNEY: Obama's health care plan "puts in place an unelected board that's going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have. I don't like that idea."

THE FACTS: Romney is referring to the Independent Payment Advisory Board, a panel of experts that would have the power to force Medicare cuts if costs rise beyond certain levels and Congress fails to act. But Obama's health care law explicitly prohibits the board from rationing care, shifting costs to retirees, restricting benefits or raising the Medicare eligibility age. So the board doesn't have the power to dictate to doctors what treatments they can prescribe.

Stewart: Right on. Obvious to all except those blinded by willful ignorance.

Romney: President Obama brought up a nonpartisan Tax Policy Center Study (which has been declared mostly true) that says Mitt Romney’s “revenue-neutral” plan to cut taxes for all Americans by 20 percent is impossible without raising taxes on the middle class.

In response to this, Romney claimed five other studies prove the legitimacy of his plan.

The Washington Post, Salon, and Politifact all say this claim is false because these so-called studies are not exactly studies. “One was a Wall Street Journal article from Martin Feldstein, a Harvard economist and an adviser to the Romney campaign; one was from Harvey Rosen, an economist at the Griswold Center for Economic Policy Studies at Princeton University; one was by Matt Jensen, an economist with the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank; and two were Wall Street Journal editorials,” Politifact explains.

Romney: Obama "doubled the deficit"
The verdict: "Not true"
When Obama took office in January 2009, the Congressional Budget Office had already estimated that the federal deficit in fiscal 2009 (ending in September) would be $1.2 trillion, says Jackie Calmes at The New York Times. It ended up being $1.4 trillion. For fiscal 2012, the deficit was $1.1 trillion lower than when he took office. And "measured as a share of the economy, as economists prefer, the deficit has declined more significantly — from 10.1 percent of the economy's total output in 2009 to 7.3 percent for 2012."

But when Bush was in office, the Dems were screaming to have him do something to lower gas prices. Once again, nice selective amnesia, Stew. Face it, even MSNBC, your mother ship, said Romney destroyed Obama. So much so that Chris Matthews want to give he debating tips.

The Impossible Plan

However, Romney continued to struggle to explain how he could possibly offset such a large loss of revenue without shifting the burden away from upper-income taxpayers, who benefit disproportionately from across-the-board rate cuts and especially from elimination of the estate tax (which falls only on estates exceeding $5.1 million left by any who die this year). The Tax Policy Center concluded earlier this year that it wasn’t mathematically possible for a plan such as Romney’s to cut rates as he promised without either favoring the wealthy or increasing the federal deficit.

Except for saying that his plan would bring in the same amount of money “when you account for growth,” Romney offered no new explanation for how he might accomplish all he’s promised. He just repeated those promises in some of the strongest terms yet.

‘Six Other Studies’

When the president referred to the Tax Policy Center’s criticisms, Romney claimed it was contradicted by several others.

Romney: There are six other studies that looked at the study you describe and say it’s completely wrong.

That’s not quite true, as we previously reported when the count was at five. We found that two of those “studies” were blog items by Romney backers, and none was nonpartisan.

The only one of those “studies” by someone not advising Romney was done by Harvey Rosen, a Princeton economics professor who once served as chairman of President George W. Bush’s Council of Economic Advisers.

Rosen concluded that Romney could pull off his tax plan without losing revenue assuming an extra 3 percent “growth effect” to the economy resulting from Romney’s rate cuts. That’s an extremely aggressive assumption, and in conflict with recent experience. Despite Bush’s large tax cuts in 2001 and 2003, for example, real GDP grew by 3 percent or more for only two of his eight years in office. The average of the year-to-year changes was just over 2 percent.

Furthermore, Bush’s cuts reduced the total tax burden on the economy because they were not offset by base-broadening measures. In theory, at least, Romney’s revenue-neutral rate cuts would have even less of a stimulative effect than Bush’s cuts did.

UHM jacko? there was that silly lil factoid of Iran acting up in the straight of Hormuz and the cost of shipping oil appeared in per barrell insurance levies on the international markets, I mean bro, lets have a macro-petro economic view here shall we?
Weekly Petroleum Status Report
http://www.eia.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/weekly_petroleum_status_report/wpsr.html

Truly amazing that you can rationalize everything away for Obama. Like when Katrina hit and gas prices went though the roof, and leading the charge was King Harry Of Vegas and Queen Nancy of Flying Home Every Weekend on the Taxpayers Dime screaming for the President to do something about gas prices. C;mon Stew, with your great memory, you must remember that.

now take a good look at Obama,He lied about what he was going to do, he lied about what he said, and now he lied about what he did. Facts are facts, the economy is in the toilet, does any blame belong to him? last nights performance in front of the world proves that he doesn;t have a plan and can not make things better.

LOL...Stewart stop copying this from Yahoo News that's supposedly facts and paste it in here. Everyone knows what the medias are all about. Most of them are just covering up everything about Obama. They never tell you the truth even the polls. Why? Because they want you to vote for Obama. Most of these media's are one sided.

I totally agree.

The debt is really not such a big problem alinsky.

There's no bigger liar then Romney though. I've heard four positions on every issue.

Alink, I have insufficient information to form an opinion of 'Abbot' sorry...but I am always sceptical of any statement in public monies that go to political parties washed through social programs.
Perhpas you will indulge me some reference material that supports your accusation? thnx

I am glad to hear you are skeptical. Do the math I always say. Are you unfamiliar at all with NJ Abotts and their impact on our taxes here in NJ? One stat to look at is why do the Abbotts spend more to educate a child than say Wayne does and deliver less results? Is it "fair" to spend more per child in the Abbotts than elsewhere? Isn't that UNFAIR to the other 500+ schools?

http://www.njspotlight.com/stories/11/0525/0141/

Race bait much, jenn? Wow. Obama did look tired. Mitt is white. Those are facts. But white people can look tired too. And our mixed race (or black if that's your preference) president can look alert.

I will say no one is entitled to food, clothing or shelter. Our declaration of independence gives us THREE things we're entitled to: Life, Liberty & The Pursuit of Happiness.

Everything else you have to work for. If 47% of the country isn't WILLING to work for what they want, then they don't deserve to have it. Obviously those unable to work should be taken care of. Unable to work = handicapped in a way that is not linked to laziness.

Jenn I suppose Romney could have asked Obama if he considers himself the president of all those backwards fly-over types who "cling to their God and guns" and ask him if his presidency is only for enlightened atheists and those who revile the 2nd Amendment. Come on. You're arguments are so Bill Maher. And time for a little wake up call: Romney is right in that 47% will never vote for him so why waste resources trying to change the unchangeable. An unfortunate use of words but you must stop caracaturing everyone on government relief as just a hard-working honest Joe trying to get back on their feet--which I would happily support with more tax dollars if that were the case. Walk into any Social Security office and you tell me how many people applying for disability are, in fact, 'disabled.' The welfare state is not just a waste of money but a moral waste of human capital (ask the able-bodied rioters in Athens, Paris, London, pick a place). And do you honestly think Obama behind closed doors doesn't say things like: "I'll never win Alabama, so why should I even reach out to them?" It doesn't mean he doesn't consider himself their president once elected, any more than Romney would the 47% he knows a political calculus requires him to write off for the election and focus on those he can persuade to his side. As for the race thing...oh *yawn*. If he were an Albino it wouldn't change unemployment, the deficit, burning embassies and spiralling prices. You are so passe.

Smirking and scolding the moderator is setting a good example? Romney was by far more civil...and presidential.

Nice post, Margaret Brady....I gather it is the Republicans here that are being disrespectful...It's a shame this is happening in America....You can have your opinion, but be cordial and make a good point, not a snarl.....Romney is a business man, he will not do any better than President Obama if he is elected...Not to much will change, I've seen that in my lifetime, and that has been a long time....

Just Another, the only ones being disrespectful are the democraps, when you start attacking someones family that is wrong and they did that with Sarah Palin and with Mitt Romney. They are calling people racists just because they don't believe this fool and lying phoney, do you think that is right?

Nothing says 'I believe in America' more than a Swiss Bank Account, AL, or a A Cayman off shore tax shelter(s), or out sourcing American Jobs to other countries, corporate raidng then bankrupting companies for a yield under the auspices of as you state 'Romney pays what he is legally required to under the law'

Stew, we have been over this already. It has been proven that Romney was not at Bain when they were outsourcing jobs. However, the head of Obama's jobs commission (which he hasn't met with in over a year) is the CEO of GE, which continually outsources jobs overseas. And Stew, do you think that Romney personally bankrupted certain companies? Are you insinuating that he picked and chose what companies survived? Did you ever think that some companies were run so poorly that they were unsavable? The problem is you don't think. Look at the companies he saved like Stapled, Sports Authority. Look at all the domestic jobs he saved. Now on the other hand, look at all the green companies this administration propped up that eventually went bankrupt. Look at how we couldn't let GM go bankrupt so we gave them another $26 billion and then let them go bankrupt. The community organizers and all his academic friends don't understand the working of the economy outside of the classroom. As far as taxes, you lefties cried you have to have skin in the game, everyone has to pay their fair share. 53% have skin in the games, some it goes down to the bone. The class warfare argument has to stop.

The quote is actually that YOU can find out what's in it to an audience of REPORTERS. Good spin Joe but wrong.

Here JP...in case you don't know how to Google.

http://www.mittromney.com/JobsPlan

What's that? one of the four different ones he's mentioned?

alinsky,

Take some of your own criticism from your manifesto on radicalism and stop playing with numbers. I explained to you yesterday that it is not logically possible for the US to not be able to pay back a debt that is issued in US currency. Not $50 trillion. Not a trillion trillion. You are preaching hyperbole.

People working and paying taxes is THE revenue that can best pay off any debt. Unemployment is the cause of both lesser tax revenue and an exhaustion in spending. Anyone who has ever invested knows that most money is made off of borrowed money. The government can not act to change the situation without investing in its citizens. This must involve spending money. This is how most people buy houses.

Leaving people to take personal responsibility is not any sort of strategy. Inaction is not action.

Ridgewood Mom - happy to take any criticism when its accurate. Your currency comments make zero sense and are not true about paying off the debt. How can the US government who owes debtors $16 trillion and growing by $1 trillion a year just print money and pay it off? Who would buy our bonds at 1% knowing that? BTW we don't pay off any principal, we add to it and simply pay the interest so we borrow to pay for borrowing.

I may try that with my Visa account and see what they say.

Your are correct that tax revenues are lower due to the economy and lack of jobs and this is a cause of some of the current deficits. However, spending is way up and this is the bigger cause. The majority of deficit spending is for Medicare at $500B plus a year.

Spending 2008 - $2.8 T
Spending 2017 - $4.5 T

Year Total
Receipts Outlays Surplus or Deficit (–)
2007 2,567,985 2,728,686 -160,701
2008 2,523,991 2,982,544 -458,553
2009 2,104,989 3,517,677 -1,412,688
2010 2,162,724 3,456,213 -1,293,489
2011 2,303,466 3,603,061 -1,299,595
2012 estimate 2,468,599 3,795,547 -1,326,948
2013 estimate 2,901,956 3,803,364 -901,408
2014 estimate 3,215,293 3,883,095 -667,802
2015 estimate 3,450,153 4,059,866 -609,713
2016 estimate 3,680,085 4,328,840 -648,755
2017 estimate 3,919,275 4,531,723 -612,448

alinsky is right.

Ridgewood Mom- if you print money to pay off debt you cause inflation. Your $6 gallon of milk today will cost you $12 and your husband's salary will not have increased enough to pay for it.

Get it?

We can't print money to pay off the debt. We have to pay down the principal.

What's interesting is this - you cannot bond for operating expenses at a local governmental level b/c it's not fiscally sound. Operating expenses are things like interest on debt. But our FEDERAL GOV't bonds for it all the time and thus causes MORE debt and HIGHER interest payments.

Got milk?

alinsky: "How can the US government who owes debtors $16 trillion and growing by $1 trillion a year just print money and pay it off?"

I have not advocated that it be done. But it is simple. You get some paper and some ink. Then you warm up the press machine and start printing bills. Then you give those bills to the people that you owe the money to. Then you aren't in debt to them anymore.

THE DEBT IS IN US CURRENCY!

Get it?

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XJS,
I know that such would cause inflation. That is what I said. My point has been that throwing numbers regarding the national debt as if it were the sky falling iis precisely the ludicrous sort of alarmism that alinsky complains about in his revolutionary manifesto. It is a bait and switch from the fact that Americans need help, both as a matter of simple need and in order to help the economy, to justify the cutting of essential services.

The simple matter is that a person doesn't care if a bottle of milk costs $6 or $12 or a million dollars if they simply can't even afford a 10 cent bottle of milk anyway. If people are being left in the gutter, why should they care about inflation?

Again, any solution will involve the government spending money in some fashion or another. It would make sense as criticism of the situation to argue that money should be spent differently then it is being spent. But it makes no sense to say that no money should be spent and that cuts should be made.

XLS,
FWIW, since you seem to understand a person who makes a lot of money to have greater authority in matters of economic justice, my husband and I each pull in enough income to buy our own milk.

HUH? Your solution to all of this borrowing and spending is to devalue the dollar by INVENTING out of thin air another $16 trillion. Sounds a lot like going through bankruptcy.

Such well articulated answers. You must have been with Obama at Columbia. Can we see YOUR TRANSCRIPTS?

That has to be the dumbest answer ever. Why not call up Obama and tell him you have the problem solved.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is tooooooooooooo funny!!

alinsky,
Read what I wrote. That was not my solution.

Oh hell, when Michael Moore attacks a liberal you know its curtains for O.

Correction. Wall Street "loved" Obama, but no longer. They are donating to Romney as fast as they can now. They don't like his financial reform in the face of the filibustering GOP. You know, following rules. Romney wants them to self-police themselves. Free markets. Right. How's that working for you?

Following rules huh? The average fiction novel is 100k-150k words. (Think Harry Potter). The Dodd-Frank Bill (that even the smallest of boutique firms like mine have ghad to comply with because surely we in energy caused the CD Swap and Housing Market abuse that triggered the crash right?) is 380,000 words. Romney was absolutely right. Batteries of lawyers are being paid to sift through this nightmare sponsored by two throughly corrupt incompetents to discover even what a "swap" means now. But if you think Wall Street doesn't still love him, even if they may not overtly support him, I have some Solyndra shares to sell you. In it's simplest terms: Obama's Keynesian loose money policy as primed by the politicized Fed keeps money/borrowing costs cheap by flooding the system with dollars and his 'stimulus' and other debt busting plicies like Obamacare create a market for treasuries. So the banks are borrowing money from the government at X to then lend it back to them to service the debt at X+Y. The classic carry trade. Also excess capital chasing too little return opportunity invariably goes into the stock market...hence the 13,000+ Dow despite decaying national fiscal health. Commodities are also booming (dollar-denominated assets, more dollars, less value per dollar, higher prices) thank you very much. Of course a commodities boom also means $100 trips to ShopRite, $500 electric bills and $60 fill-ups. Hence the 'middle class squeeze." Oh, Wall Street loves Obama.

You people don't understand how income taxes work, do you? It is not that they "pay no taxes". They pay into Social Security and Medicare. You act as though these people are tax cheats. The reason they pay no federal income tax is this: Let's just take a single mom with one child. Let's say she was abandoned by her husband, just to keep you all from your slut-shaming. She takes a $3800 personal exemption plus the same for her child. That's $7600 right there. By the way, you get this exemption too. The standard deduction for her as head of household is $8700. Let's say she is a full-time home health aide, taking care of YOUR elderly mother -- bathing her, getting her to the toilet, cooking for her. (Let's see YOU do what these women do.) If she makes $16,300/year (not an unrealistic figure since minimum wage is $7.25/hour which would be $15,080/year for 52 weeks), she pays no federal income taxes because her LEGAL EXEMPTIONS are more than her income. These are special exemptions for the poor, they are exemptions that you and I and everyone else gets. THESE are the people you are branding as losers and slackers, people. THESE are the ones you are attacking, while you think it's totally unfair for Willard Rmoney to pay even ONE PENNY MORE in taxes. You know what? I would rather make enough to have to pay income tax to live in a civilized society than have to scramble the way this hypothetical woman does.

Sorry, that should have been "These are NOT special exemptions for the poor, they are exemptions that you and I and everyone else gets."

I have to agree, Mr. Kelly. Governor Romney displayed a poise that few expected and demonstrated his potential to lead this nation. But, we already have a president who has lead this nation during it's darkest days and whose opponent represents the party who brought us to those darkest days. Sooner or later, the GOP must address the Bush era instead of pretending it never existed.

Alan, do you understand that the amount of money you're talking about according to your article ($168 million) relative to the fedreal deficit ($1.2 trillion) is the same as saving a dime a nickel and a penny off of $1,200? When you layer it over the nation DEBT then you're saving 16 cents off of $16,800. Oh yeah. That'll bring the boys home.

Why doesn't anyone talk about Apple and why they should be making their products here or Intel who has major plants in Ireland? Apple will have a net profit of $45 Billion this year. Certainly they could make the products here and hire Americans and make only $30 Billion right?

We are in a global economy and competition is fierce and dictates where the jobs are. Why have all the northeast and midwest citiies lost union jobs over past 20 years? It is because of the costs? Foreign car companies have plants here now and hire US workers. GM has plants in other countries and hires workers there. Should GM which is owned by the government bring all those jobs back to the US?

These are more red herrings. Why don't we discuss the high cost of higher education which is a total scam due to its pension systems when students can't even get jobs after graduating. Eliminate the pensions and lower the costs of college.

Forgetting everything else - do you believe that bringing these manufacturing jobs home will result in enough people working to cover 87B in taxes?

What do you pay in federal taxes? I make $185,000 a year and pay roughly $24,000 a year in federal income taxes. A manufacturer will make what, $30,000/year, maybe $45,000. How many employees do we need to cover the $87B?

I think Romney won on style, but what are his policies today? They seem to change everyday. http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/10/03/162263539/romney-goes-on-offense-pays-for-it-in-first-wave-of-fact-checks

George the demise of America is due to lack of family, values and a cycle of dependency created by Democrat polices. The decay of the cities is a great national tragedy and one no one wants to talk about. Why are murder rates higher in these once great places? What is the plan to fix Jersey City or Camden or Detroit or Chicago? Start local....what can we do to fix the Asbury Park School system that spends double the state average per student yet gets little results. Why?

We've all seen this argument before alinsky. The argument that America is losing it's family values, but what you mean is it's "white" family values circa 1950's, don't you? And while that may be honorable goal, family values have changed with the times whether that be good or bad. There is no turning the clock backward 50 years. Too many people are stuck in an environment currently where they just cannot get ahead in this country to improve their family values on their own. When you have (for instance) the six controlling Walmart family members making more income then 93 million Americans PUT TOGETHER, what does that tell you about our country? 93 million people! Does everyone in this country get a fair shake and equal opportunities to start in order to even attempt the change to progress independently on a road to wealth? You know what it tells me about this country? It tells me this country is run... mostly... for the benefit of a small percentage of the country and that's exactly the way they want it to stay. They could care less about everyone else.

JP, how do you think the Waltons got their money? Sam Walton busted his butt to make his business work. Nothing was hand to him, nor did he think something should be handed to him. That's the American way. Work hard and build something. But what your saying is that whatever someone does, no matter how hard they work, they are not allowed to reap the benefits. If you want that kind of system move to China where everyone has the same except the ruling class. You say they don't care about anyone else. Why don't you look up how many people they employ, how much they give to charity before you make another off base comment like that. By the way, they give infinitely more to charity than the $3,100 that the Vice President and his wife did. Stop with the class warfare argument.

Ahh not only that, but cheap Chinese labor. And let not get started on charitable deductions. Those deductions are deducted from TAXES which all of us have to then make up for. They make those "gifts" to lower their personal taxes and we (collectively) pay for that. If someone wants to be TRULY generous, give the money to charity and don't charge it to the government as a deduction or the rest of us.

JP, actually he did claim less on his charitable deductions. I'm guessing you do the same, you don't take any deductions? And I'm guessing that Obama shouldn't take any deductions either? You are killing the Waltons for being successful and killing the Romneys for being charitable. Everyone gets an opportunity in this country. That's why people cross the border everyone day. You're not guaranteed anything in life.

Funny. I remember watching the rolls of soldiers killed in action at the end of every newscast when Bush was in office. And every policy he made was questioned and a talking point on MSM.

No one liked Bush. I get it. But the only people who still like Obama are either not paying attention or on the dole.

Sorry, Ivy. I do not think you could be more wrong. President George W. Bush is still being blamed. (Deservedly for some things, undeservedly for others.) XJS is correct. The media questioned every move that he made, especially in his second term.

Nonsense. Plenty of things are free... the air we breathe... the sun that shines. The problem is when somebody goes and says that these sorts of things are theirs and you have to pay them.

ridgewood mom, you are exactly right. that will be next, i can assure you. They, those that value private money over people, are poisoning our water supply with fracking and that's gonna lead to billions in water sales. The air is going to be and is actually now so toxic that they are gonna sell you gas masks and cleaners. And all this because we let them claim the earths' assests for themselves privately because they bust their butts and many a man's skull taking over the oil fields. killing for cash and getting ours as we take part in a world wide smash and grab. We are just as guilty watching a crimes against humanity and going along for the ride. we have a fundamental flaw in our system and nobody that's winning wants to admit or stop it. The losers gave up or joined in. we'll all lose again as always been the case when good men watch bad things and do nothing.

he wont show his taxes or his swiss caman accounts so how do you believe a word of his charity if he won't show these things? if he gave it to his cult church, he'll get it back in kick backs some how. wake up. Lawyers are paid to hide or distort the truth, nothing trust worthy or noble there. They sell themselves, like the whores we are, selling "justice" to the highest bidder when it's the poor that need justice the most. wake up. he gave his entire inheritance to charity? you aren't serious are you? He inherited his father's power as any young up and coming "prince" does from jfk to bush etc.. etc..He went back on his greatest achievement Romney care. he lied so much last night and you say he's trust worthy? dah.. o.k

Hahahahahahaha your fantasy is so cute.....

He tithes to his church and his family has set up a charitable foundation that serves as a tax shelter. This is not "giving to charity". Maybe it is for tax purposes, but until you can show me records of him giving to the poor or those less fortunate, it's all about taxes for him.

Yea, 12 years of bumbling is long enough.

Have you gone to law school?

Alan. The cost of this "tax break for sending jobs overseas" (to coin an Obama chatty cathcy talking point programmed by David Axelrod) is not small. It is undetectable. It is hard for people to envision such large numbers and the comparisons. So let's visualize it: If the annual federal deficit were the height of the empire state building. The height of these savings would be 2 inches high. Compared to an Empire State Building of the national debt it would be one-seventh of an inch high. So why even mention it but for a political talking point? We need serious people with serious solutions. We need a chief executive, not chief orator and self-professed 'eye candy'.

alinsky.....stop wasting your time arguing with liberals.
They never let the facts get in the way of their opinions.
Sit back, relax, and enjoy the memories of last night.
The Emperor Has No Clothes.

alinsky.
That's called an "argument from authority."

FWIW, I might consult the world's largest bond manager for advice on how to make money managing bonds. I'm not so sure that I would ask him about how human beings ought best negotiate economic interests within a nation and across global society. I would largely expect such a person to be primarily concerned with his own interests.

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Exactly John Q! You shouldn't try to present reasonable arguments to support your claims when you disagree with someone, and you shouldn't consider their views either. What an exceptionally well reasoned claim!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

Well Ridgewood Mom, who do you think buys all those bonds and finances all those deficits? If not for the bond managers of the world, there would be no financing for things like our national debt, mortgages, corporations or student loans so you should listen to people like him b/c their opinion most definitely matters.

Or you can behave like Argentina, Venezuela or Greece and wonder why your interest rates are through the roof and nobody wants your debt. That is what happens to countries that ignore the people who buy their bonds.

hey guys, these knight templar types have been making great deals for themselves supposedly protecting your investments from people just like them. Get a grip. A crook at any level is still just a crook. Look at all the millions selling bonds. Do they really deserve such huge salaries doing things that have been around for hundreds if not thousands of years? it's really not the rocket science you all make it out to be. slight of hand and robbing peter and anybody else to pay yourself isn't that new or noble idea. Never a lender or borrow be. we should have stuck to that. You like playing texas holdem with the short stack and the deck stacked against you too? That's why your pensions are gone. less your in the crooked house dealing. you see the currency markets and what a joke they are? If I had gecko money, which many geckos do, I'd move markets to suit me and rake in your pensions. Like all the geckos are doing. seriously stupid people believe everything they see, hear and wann believe about their failing systems greatness.

There are some who, upon the slightest questioning of intentions of anyone with a white collar, will jump knee jerk to their defense no matter what. And then these same persons will laugh silly about how lazy and stupid anyone with a blue collar is, no matter how hard working or productive they might or might not be.

Of course there is the other opposite extreme as well.

Society needs bond managers and it need factory workers. It needs lawyers and bankers and it needs farmers and grocery store checkout clerks. It needs businessmen and artists. Laborers and intellectuals.

But then, nobody is arguing about whether or not bond managers should get some sort of minimum wage or health care or the ability to retire when they are no longer able to work.

Obama's position is in the middle. It takes into account the interests of the business class as well as the labor class It is based on the proposition that all Americans need to be included, both in recognition of their dignity and worth as human beings and as part of the success of the joint productive effort that is the economy.

Romney's position is extreme. He only sees human dignity and value in persons with managerial power, with increasing value placed on persons the higher up they are. He also sees little economic value in involving all citizens in productivity. He literally goes so far as to relegate half of all Americans as productively useless to the economy and lacking of any human worth.

Perhaps we should consider the words of a nobel prize winning economist (who was also the head of the world bank):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYXASbjErx0

Readers please, do not take ANYONE'S authority on this matter. Just think about the logic of it for a minute.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HJ54RRB7OU&feature=related

Oh boy, Stew. You're running out of material.

Would that your epiphany spread like wildfire...

Jose, you are right! We better do it fast--while we still have a 2nd amendment!

I agree he won on style points, but it is too bad that facts don't seem to matter to the electorate.

OP I disagree. That's all.

Obama was off his game, and Romney was more "polished." On point? Not so much.

Indeed. People judged the debate on style, not substance. Let's see if the afterglow remains or if people will seek the facts.

Okay Sherry, just what is it that you feel Romney lied about?

Stew any thoughts on Abbott school funding yet? Are you ok with your town getting less state aid in favor of the Abbotts?

@alinsky, Don't waste your breath. Stew only demands answers, he never gives them.

I know....just proving that the libs are all about the playbook and not solving the problems. Unless printing more money like some suggest is a good solution.

...or drilling the same mantras, despite them being decisively contradicted, as a means of deflecting attention from truth.

There is nothing left for you to figure out is there alinski? You are the one to tell what it is, and you don't even have to explain how. Is this a strategy taken out of your rulebook?

Obama is a fraud, a liar and a cheat. His path from Community Organizer to President is a great accomplishment thanks to the Rules for Radicals Playbook. Anyone can lie and say anything to get elected and then do absolutely nothing to help the same people he promised to help. He preys on people's fears and then fails to deliver.

Some examples
The debt is unpatriotic and irresponsible......UNTIL I ADD TO IT
i will cut the deficit in half.........Doubled it

If 15 million more people are on food stamps since he took office and 25 million cannot find work, incomes are down, house prices are down, gas prices are up. There is no story you can spin to describe him except total and utter failure.

Hope and Change became NO HOPE and NO CHANGE

Sorry to burst your bubble Elizabeth, but ALL political figures are coached. In fact, all public speakers are coached before a major speech.

Obama has indicated "reams of papers and printouts on his desk" and yet has failed to introduce any enumerated spending plan to reduce the debt and deficits. At this point in the nations spending history, the public debt has risen to over $ 9.75 trillion dollars.

In the latter part of 2010, and just prior to the 2010 election shellacking , Obama stated this: " Belief in Capitalism is blind faith,this philosophy of letting people fend for themselves has failed" ~President Barack Obama, October 2010

The gentlemen will bankrupting this country,,,Its to big for you to understand lets try this He is running your company you own take his policies & they way he has handled problems ,,you will be living in a card board box made by the china..you cant get help because you are illegal citizen..,than the hospital or bank puts a lein on your card box now you have "0"

You seen Obama debate Clinton? In 2008, we all should have listened to candidate Hilliary, who along with Biden said, "Obama was not qualified to be president". They were both right! Since the networks won't ever show it, go google "obama without a teleprompter" "Obama 57 states", "obama corpsman" The list is endless, See how intellectually overwhelmed he is. Just for fun, while you're there, google "hank johnson guam" .He's the democrat who thinks Guam might tip over from overpopulation. Makes Obama look like Einstein

Again I ask Sherry, what is he lying about? I am very curious on your conclusions. You repeated he is a lair, but not being specific!

Because we're from Jersey and we get enamored of lying bullying politicians, then the bloom comes off the rose and we see what is really there, like Christie and his failed policies. Once the spin gets old that Romney won because Obama looked down at his lectern too much, we can pay attention to what was actually said, and see that Romney was saying the complete opposite of what he has been preaching (and been filmed saying) for the past year. Romney's entire career has been to sacrifice the many for the benefit of the very few. There is no reason to think he will do otherwise in the future.

Perhaps it is because we are sick of paying $1,500-$2,000 per month in property taxes.

Perhaps it is because we send $30,000, $40,000, $50,000 or $60,000 and more per year to Washington to have it redistributed and another $20,000 to the state.

Perhaps it is because some of us understand the economic damage that has been done to our children and their children by this President

There is a population in this area is sick of supporting the rest of the state, country and world.

I'll take my chances with Romney, he can’t be any worse than what we have now.

And if he is, he will be voted out like Obama will be in November

@Anthony. Oh gosh, I feel so bad for you paying $18000 to $24000 just in real estate taxes. I will tell you what I am going to do; I am going to asking that everyone else's taxes be raised so a rich guy like you does not have to suffer. I mean, wow, who am I to be upset over $7500 a year? I am so sorry for you. Must be terrible to live in an expensive home and pay so much. We common people have no right to ask for relief when you are paying so much more.
Of course, you could sell your home and buy a cheaper taxed one. You will get lesser services and a lower class schools. Sorry if I do not sound sorry for the rich. Do not expect any sympathy for your selfish plight when it is the middle class that is suffering.

That's right Anthony. It costs $20k a year to educate Ric's kid. Pay up!!!

@alinksky You will never replace the Long Island Medium. I have no children in school. But then your perception has already proven itself to be way off. You actually think that the Mormon should win.

Ric why attack a man's religion. I don't like Obama but I am not not voting for him because he's a Muslim. I am not voting for him because he sucks at being President

Barack Hussien Obama is purposely overwhelming the U.S. economy to create systemic failure, economic crisis and social chaos -- thereby destroying capitalism and our country from within.


Barack Hussien Obama is following the plan of Cloward & Piven, two professors at Columbia University. They outlined a plan to socialize America by overwhelming the system with government spending and entitlement demands.

Obama's game plan to turn the United States into a socialist/Marxist state with a permanent majority that desperately needs government for survival ... and can be counted on to always vote for bigger government. Why not? They have no responsibility to pay for it.


Stimulus and bailouts. Where did all that money go?
It went to Democrat contributors, organizations (ACORN), and unions -- including billions of dollars to save or create jobs of government employees across the country. It went to save GM and Chrysler so that their employees could keep paying union dues. It went to AIG so that Goldman Sachs could be bailed out (after giving Obama almost $1 million in contributions).

A staggering $125 billion went to teachers (thereby protecting their union dues). All those public employees will vote loyally Democrat to protect their bloated salaries and pensions that are bankrupting America.

oh no Are you reading that being liberal guy stuff? Website is the same as what was stated last night. Stop wasting our time with these lying liberal sites.

Because having the moron Biden in the White House instills confidence and strikes fear in our enemies? Give me a break.

What has your "Boy"The Long Legged mac daddy done besides run up 5 trillion in debt?

"Less income doesn't create deficits. Spending too much creates deficits."

Nonsense. Say you have 10 bucks and spend $10. Your deficit is zero. Then someone comes along and says "let's take away two bucks from the ten that you would have been getting so that you only have $8." They have created a deficit. The problem isn't just spending more then you have. Its spending more then you have BECAUSE someone has taken away the income that would have allowed you to spend.

Ah, you only spend $8. Is this a liberal trick question? Or are you still buying into the whole Fannie Freddie we will lend homeowners who don't qualify 110% of the value of the home. NO problem. What could possibly go wrong?

A tax cut allows the owner of the money to keep and spend their money and not have it used for redistribution by Obama. I know Libs think ALL THE MONEY IS THEIRS but it's NOT!!

Romney is no friend to the middle class. His speech in Florida to his contributors is what the real Romney is all about. . .It behooves one to understand why people who are far from being the multimillionares that are funding his campaign support him, other than there reframe against Obama?

Obama hates everyone. He is a trained Radical by alinsky and Rev Wright. He despises white people

And what race do you despise alinsky?

Abbot was not brought up on the debate, and I kindly replied to you that on this particular question that you seem fixated on?
I see you are all in a lather like a puppy with the rest of the right wing litter after weeks and weeks of Romney miscues from London to Israel, desperate for a game changer of some sort I guess.
Taint gonna happen, what with an estimated 70% of the latino vote going to Obama, virtualy no black vote to Romney, to say nothing of the womens vote weighted to Obama and of course mittens having written of 47% of America? I mean really.

Thought so.....don't like to talk about failing liberal polices. Thanks

School funding was part of the debate. Abbott funding is specific to NJ and created by Liberals to pretend more money helps at the expense of the suburban schools. Right out of the Rules for Radicals handbook.

I think we all agree education is important but why do suburban taxpayers have to pay more?

Remember Obama's speech "SCREW THE SUBURBS" Code for I don't like White people.

Actually Stew, London security was undermanned. They admitted it themselves and proven by someone sneaking in and walking in the opening ceremony with the Indian contingent. What was he wrong on Israel? Saying they are our strongest ally in Mideast unlike Obama? He was right on about the Libya attack as well? Only Joe Biden tells the truth, middle class has been buried the last 4 years, we are going to increase taxes by $1trillion dollars. Obama proved Wednesday night that he is nothing but an empty shirt.

we already have Goofy

My thoughts precisely. The comedians are already writing material! LOL! Gotta give it it to Mitt, he is a very good liar.

Peculiar. Does this tactic from your Rules for Radicals book?

That print money idea will work once and only once. It will also lead to massive inflation, a massive increase in interest rates, make our bonds about as attractive as the Ebola virus to investors & do nothing to fix the structural deficit the US Gvmnt runs every single frigging year. Printing money = economic suicide. Don't believe me? Ask Zimbabwe how it worked out for them.

As a matter of fact it is. The plays don't only work for ignorant liberals.

How's the printing press coming along?

Maybe you should address the Republicans who hate Romney then alinsky. You seem like the (what he thinks is) the typical conservative know it all.

Careful JP. He'll ignore what you say and talk over you.

:)

Maybe they can take your position alinsky? You probably feel they'd need three people to do your job. 3 for 1 what a deal.

WHAT? I am not union so that can't be so. I can however do 3 jobs at once and not even expect YOU to pay for my PENSION.

Perhaps we could increase military spending and lower taxes for persons who have very high incomes. How does that sound as a solution to the deficit?

Or maybe we could try a combination of some targeted cuts along with bringing in more tax revenue?

Read.

@Georgina.. Vote for Obama... then don't cry when you don't have a job when you get out of college.... Oh yeah, you will join the 47 million on food stamps and become a ward of the government. Dont you see that we (this generation) are spending all of your money and you will have no future..

CLUELESS College student!!

Oh- yeah- when you have no cash and file for bankruptcy --guess what you will have your student loans forever! They cannot be discharged in bankruptcy.

Good luck to you!!!

WAKE UP!!

What debate were you watching? Romney looked at Obama the whole time. Obama was looking at his notes,not that they helped, rarely making any eye contact.Not having a teleprompter clearly showed how Obama didn't have the intellect to keep up with Romney. Obama can't put a complete sentence together without pausing and babbling. No surprise he won't release his college transcripts and never wrote an article for the Harvard Law Review as it's president, not one, which has never happened in it's history. Is affirmative action spelled with one m or two? But Barrack Hussein was in a tough spot, trying to defend his policies that have backfired the last 4 years.But what do you expect from someone who was a complete failure (a community organizer, really? ) before he got into politics. Yeah, that's the guy I want as president. Go on you tube and look up "obama 57 states" "obama without a teleprompter" According to Churchill you have until 40 to get a brain. Sadly many posters here don't have one.

Georgina, someday when you grow up, you'll see how dumb you reaally are at supporting an idiot like this jerk. Its because of children like you that we had to go through the last 4 years with an idiot like this jerk, we have over 4 million people out of work and more than that have lost their homes because of your move, and all the other uninformed children that were behind you.

Whatever you do is up to you but don't let the lies and the rhetoric that the domcrats and your parents tell you shape your life forever. This guy is a liar and has been lying about everything he tells people, he has hatred for the other side {Republicans} and he only thinks about himself and his pockets. He is leading this country down the wrong path and is throwing Isreal under a bus with his lies and his protecting of Iran, because he thinks they are our friends, they are not. If they were friends of ours then why are they trying to destroy the U.S.A. and why have they said they are going to destroy Isreal. They preach hatred and death to all Americans. Get a brain for yourself! There are many other children like you who voted for this jerk and now they are out of college and they can't find a job, they have something else to say. He is a loser and a failure.

Oh I just love when these college students see Obama's views...these are the groups that do not own a home and pay taxes, do not have to worry about their retirement yet, do not have to worry about health care cuz they are usually pretty healthy at that age, don't pay bills except for credit card bills (ie: electric, gas, etc)...lets see how long you have that opinion when you can't find a job.

Read.

You can start learning here: http://store-locator.barnesandnoble.com/event/3256107-27

Its three weeks from Friday and near you.

@ Ridgewood Mom- Go back to Ridgewood and pay high property taxes to fund your local school system because all of your state taxes are being re-distributed and sent to Trenton, Newark, Camden, and Jersey City at an average of $20,000 per kid in state aid. That is right, we take YOUR money, give more of it in state aid to each kid in these districts then you even spend in Ridgewood.. How about them apples?

Do you even have a clue?

If every child across the state were given equal aid (approx 8K per kid) the property taxes in the suburbs would be reduce 30% across the board..

I'd rather give an 8,000 voucher to each kid in these failing district to actually give him a chance at an education..

That is socialism and redistribution of wealth..

Property taxes are actually a pretty good value in Ridgewood in relation to services provided.

I am aware that I pay taxes to help the poor. I should. I am very fortunate and I owe a great deal of my good fortune to society. We have obligations to help those less fortunate then ourselves where we can.

Referring to the provision of equitable educational opportunities to children as "redistribution of wealth" is hilarious. We are talking about children. None can be said to have built their wealth. How would that work? Harder work at a lemonade stand? All children live on handouts. That some children receive better educations then others can only reasonably be understood as privilege, and we know that this sort of thing has pretty obvious effects on where people generally end up later in life.

Ridgewood Mom - do you really believe that the government can just print money and make the debts of the nation disappear like that? Why doesn't our town just do that if its the answer or the state for that matter?

@ Ridgewood Mom- Really?

Do you really think the government can spend your money better than you can?

I say give the kids a choice? School choice in the poor districts. Give them vouchers to take them to the nearest school (Catholic, Jewish, charter, etc.) and let the people vote with their vouchers as to which schools survive and which do not.

Dumping 22K per kid into these districts to appease the union is ridiculous. Also- in the abbott districts, why would a BOE member even care about the money spent? They are flush with cash when the suburbs are scraping by. It is not their money! they could give a damn.

I have no problem and believe that every kid should have an opportunity , but doing the same old thing is ridiculous.

Also- If you would like to understand what loose monetary policy does to a country, I would highly reccomend this book to read. You will see where deficit spending and printing of currency gets a country.

http://www.amazon.com/When-Money-Dies-Devaluation-Hyperinflation/dp/1586489941/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1349398732&sr=1-1&keywords=when+money+dies

Hi Playa - it's a crime that these kids are failing and the amount of money being squandered isn't changing that no matter how much guilt or hope anyone throws at it. NJ wastes so much money on pensions and failing schools. What I find most insulting is the love affair Democrats have with celebrities and Hollywood. These are all the super rich who make tens of millions for 60 minutes of bad acting and yet they are held in high esteem. They should be interested in doctors and engineers and researchers but these are the same people Obama villifies as being rich and not doing their fair share. You know how many uber educated people work at LMC and they get paid a decent amount. They pay their taxes. Donate to charity. Volunteer coach. Help invent things to protect everyone and we are attacked every day as being the enemy. If someone wants my job. Get a the required degree and training and come bring it and compete for it. No one is going to give you anything. You have to work for it.

@Barry- Totally agree. What makes some hollywood idiot whose only real job ever was clearing tables waiting for his big moment become the spokesman for the liberals..

You are absolutely correct, the real productive citizens are the ones who volunteer in their community and are their to take responsibility for their kids every day. It is the glue that makes society stick together. When you get a handout from the government you have no self pride and then all morality breaks down. I am sure that someone would much rather have a job.

We work hard, don't take handouts and make sure our communities are great places to live, while getting pick-pocketed by some politician so they can give our money to Camden... Talk about investing in a losing proposition.. For $22,000 per kid we could send every kid in Camden to St. Joe's prep!

Also- The Samuel Jackson video is a disgrace. He is an Obama Stooge. He is playing on the fact that most of the US is Stupid. right out of Alinsky's book- create a crisis (Romney is going to take away your Obama Phone- LOL) He is right- We should Wake Up- if we don't 51% will be getting a handout and then why even have an election.?

Ridgewood Mom- what industry is your husband in? Does he work in a TBTF bank? Or.. is he a self made business owner who created his wealth? I am just trying to find out your perspective here.

Ray, you say Obummer isn't a racist, so the why is it that he and the democrats all feel that is you don't like his and aren't going to vote for him, then you are a racist. I have not and will not vote for this loser and phoney for those reasons, not because I am a racist. I woeked at a company for a number of years and it was mostly black and we all got along great, and they new if they needed someone to be there for them I was there, because we were friends not because of color, only the democraps have brought that up in this race.

Ray the left interjects race into everything to put gas on the fire. Obama is no less racist than anyone else by the standards they use. And i found Obama's comments in that speech to be very racially charged. Even his fake accent was an insult

So, you think there's something wrong with reforming something like health care if it is bipartisan [Romney] but if one side completely shuts out the other side and forces what they think is good for the country [Obama] then that is wonderful?

I'll still vote for him, not on the insurance end, but the fact that he has a better plan to take back our country and work with others, where this fraud will not. He is an American and wants to put people back to work, not out of work. This jerk is a fraud and a phoney and the democraps have even admitted that at one point. Silly Hilly Clinton even said herself when she was running that he was not qualified to run because he was not an American or a citizen of the U.S.A..

Hillary was right. She and Biden and Bill clinton all told us Obama was not prepared. They were all right on the mark.

Actually he said healthcare and education should be handled at the state level. Clean the Democrat talking points out of your ears.

Romney has a complicated and evolving relationship with his signature achievement as governor of Massachusetts. He scarcely mentions it when he needs to appeal to conservatives and touts it loudly when appealing to voters outside his base.

Romney’s latest remarks, one month before the election, bring him back to the stance he held before Obama signed the Affordable Care Act.

"The President said he’d cut the deficit in half. Unfortunately, he doubled it.” The truth is, the deficit was projected to be $1.2 trillion when Obama took office in 2009, it ultimately turned out to be $1.4 trillion. "The idea of cutting $716 billion from Medicare to be able to balance the additional cost of Obamacare is, in my opinion, a mistake."Here Romney is jumping ahead, considering that the effects of Obamacare have yet to be determined because the law has yet to be implemented. He's crunching numbers before the law has even been put in place.
"You never balance the budget by raising taxes."Here Mitt just didn't do his research, because President Bill Clinton managed to balance the budget by implementing a tax boost for those in the top 2 percent of earners. Duke professor William Chafe."

Read more: http://globalgrind.com/news/mitt-romney-fact-check-presidential-debate-barack-obama-list#ixzz28NGRZNGK

Read more: http://globalgrind.com/news/mitt-romney-fact-check-presidential-debate-barack-obama-list#ixzz28NGFt5d4

Today, according to Congressional Budget Office data, the deficit is expected to be $1.1 trillion for fiscal year 2012.

So Obama lowered the deficit. Point Obama.

Read more: http://globalgrind.com/news/mitt-romney-fact-check-presidential-debate-barack-obama-list#ixzz28NFxaFQD

And what is President Obama proposing to balance the budget, create jobs and help the middle class?

Betcha he'll have a similar effect on jobs that his minion Christie has had....think about it. It will be interesting to watch for those of us with jobs and money. The rest of you guys can pound sand. Not that Obama has been a success, but I doubt anyone could have dug us out of the rut we were and still are in.

You got it! The democraps just can't face that they put a loser in washington for the last 4 years.

Hi Vet - Obama and the Democrats want to gut the military. This will require hundreds of thousands of layoffs at Lockheed where I work and other places. Are we as Americans and our jobs less valuable to Democrats? Does cutting funding for what we do help or hurt more people? Seems like they are helping only who they want to help. I don't know anyone at LMC voting for Obama.

Oh blah blah blah about the millionaires and billionaires...I think you are listening to too much msnbc and the local networks.

How does one wage assault on the middle class exactly? How is Obama not doing exactly this with his policies of excessive spending and debt on our children? My health insurance costs more, I earn less and gas is $4 a gallon. I'd say that is like getting mugged.

All millionaires and billionaires have to do to pay less tax even if rates are increased is invest all their money in municipal bonds just like Corzine, Pelosi, Kerry,Soros do? Raising taxes doesn't create jobs. We all complain about high property taxes but if we can get someone else to pay more, we all like more taxes.

Stewart, I have no idea where you get your info but it must be from the rhetoric and the lies those democraps are spewing all around the last 4 years.

Barry, I know where you are coming from, my sisiter-in-law used to work at LMC as well. This jerk wants to destroy our Military because he doesn't want us to fight back when the Iranians come to take over with him. You have to remember this guy is a Muslim first and foremost.

LMAO ! Thanks for the laugh Stewie

...that 47% secretly recorded video at a fund raising event down in Florida said it all about who Romney is going to work for. . .and it ain't the middle class!

So spooner all 53% are rich. If we draw a line at 50%, that makes the middle class between 34 and 67. I'd say middle class is on both sides of the line. I know you are looking to make a point but the facts don't support it.

barry- how many people at that fund raiser were in that 48-67% group. And remember the 67-100% could care less about cutting entitlements and eliminating the mortgage deduction, child education credits, college loan affordability. . .and even Big Bird. Like I said. . .time for the well to do too come across. Did I upset you?

Spooner how many of the 47% were at Jay Z's Obama fundraiser? Paying more taxes doesn't balance the budget, doesn't create jobs and doesn't lower the national debt. Let's say we all agree on raising taxes. Everyone knows it is just a drop in the bucket on the bigger problem which is entitlement spending. Medicare runs a $700 B a year deficit. It costs $14 B a year just to pay the interest on that at 2%. in 2007 the best revenue year ever we had a deficit of $168B on spending of $2.7 Trillion. Spending is now $4 trillion. There is no way revenues of any kind could ever keep up with that. That's what I don't understand. Even if we went back to 2008 when Obama railed and railed against the debt, the spending would still cause a deficit. Do you spend more at home every year than you make? I know I don't

Cry me a river. No one wants their borrowed funding from China to be cut. Something has to get cut. What's it going to be? Reminds me of the NIMBYs in Ridgewood.

WAAAAHHHHHH!! What a bunch of whining crap. I am sure the Ford Foundation or someone else will pick up the funding of sesame street. Or- how about selling advertising..

Do you think the letter "W" would spring for an ad today?

The government should give us roads and a military and that is it.

Check out her salary- $623,000- Boo Hoo.. I am sure she gets a huge pension also...

PBS President Paula Kerger even recorded a personal television appeal that told viewers exactly how to contact members of Congress in order to "let your representative know how you feel about the elimination of funding for public broadcasting." But if PBS can pay Ms. Kerger $632,233 in annual compensation—as reported on the 990 tax forms all nonprofits are required to file—surely it can operate without tax dollars.

The executives at the Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB), which distributes the taxpayer money allocated for public broadcasting to other stations, are also generously compensated. According to CPB's 2009 tax forms, President and CEO Patricia de Stacy Harrison received $298,884 in reportable compensation and another $70,630 in other compensation from the organization and related organizations that year. That's practically a pittance compared to Kevin Klose, president emeritus of NPR, who received more than $1.2 million in compensation, according to the tax forms the nonprofit filed in 2009.

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2011/03/04/jim-demint-lavish-pbs-salaries-means-taxpayer-help-isnt-needed#ixzz28NlPPfD2

barry- I know I'm committing sacrilege. . . but those people( the rich) have been having a field day under Bush...paying less and less taxes. . .Time to anti up and get back to the Clinton tax rates.

Hey Spooner I don't think that is correct. In 2007, people paid the most income taxes ever. That is because we had a good economy and low unemployment. When more people work, there is more tax revenue.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=200

The top one percent of income tax filers has seen its income increase from 6.4 percent to 14.3 percent of GDP in the period from 1986 to 2007. But the share of federal income tax paid has increased from 25.7 percent of all individual income taxes in 1986 to a 40.4 percent share of the total in 2007.

Even if we went back to clinton tax rates, we would have to go back to clinton spending levels. Why not just spend what was spent in 2008. Revenues are close.